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[Dr. James Robertson]

If this is what you equate with loving homosexual partnerships,
I would recommend you go and VISIT some happily committed couples.

It's funny that you should mention that, because a friend of mine suggested that to me, and I went along with it. I went to the home of a gay man who had a boyfriend, and they were supposedly happily committed...but...one of those men did nothing but look at pictures of penises on his computer the whole time. That is just not, to me, a normal relationship, and I don't see how it could be a happy one.

Counter your indoctrination with real life experiences
of happy homosexual couples,
living happy lives with jobs and a home,
and maybe even.... dare I say it?..... happy children.

And how is it that two men together, or two women together, produce children?

If people... society... family... classmates... even councelors
did not CONDEMN, BULLY AND TRY TO CHANGE homosexuals,
do you THINK that maybe there would be a significant drop in despair
related behaviors?

No one condemns or bullies anyone. When people come to me because they want to change, I do my best to help them. What is wrong with that?

You ALSO see drug use, suicide, venerial diseases, HIV, Aids in heterosexuals.
Is that some kind of indicator that heterosexuals are not happy?

My point was that one sees more of that sort of thing in homosexuals, and I provided some links to show that. And no, I do not believe that drug users are happy, which is why I also provide counseling for them...when they ask me to.

 

[England my lionheart]

Did I mention that I live in Heritage? There aren't too many secrets around here. If a man has given up his homosexual behaviour, he has been forgiven for it, and he no longer does it, why should we condemn him to a life of loneliness?

What right do you have to condemn him either way,none,the cause of unhappy Gay people is people like you giving out the fire and Brimstone nonsense,its nothing better than ignorance IMO.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

What is difficult about loving a woman "the right way"? We have a young man in the congregation right now who is a former homosexual, and his first baby was just born, so obviously he must be doing something right.

Or wrong as the case maybe.

Matthew 19 (New International Version)

10The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."

11Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[c]because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

Did not Jesus teach its better to renounce all sex ?

 

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It's funny that you should mention that, because a friend of mine suggested that to me, and I went along with it. I went to the home of a gay man who had a boyfriend, and they were supposedly happily committed...but...one of those men did nothing but look at pictures of penises on his computer the whole time. That is just not, to me, a normal relationship, and I don't see how it could be a happy one.

Gee, I wonder how many coupled hetero men look at pictures of ***** online.

Some women actually look at porn also! and WITH their male partner!
(and they're happy to share in that)

By your methods of evaluation,
most of the (failing/failed/fairytale- ie pretend) happily committed
hetero marriages and divorces I've seen,
would point to the conclusion that not only are hetero couples not happy,
but also
marriage is a bad idea in general.

There are lots of things you don't see.


And often times, people put on a show for you.
When it comes to other people,
we hardly ever know what it is we've seen.

 

[Faithfreedom]

Wow! Doc, 65 replies in the first day and counting.
This has to be a record! Your fingers must be dropping out of their sockets..lol..

Let him be, people! He's doin' his thing just as we all are doing ours.
If the gays go to him voluntarily, then why do them out of a resource?
If after a while they feel that he's not much of a help, i'm sure they would leave him.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Please explain. What am I doing that is harmful?

thanks

I think I should apologize. I let my anger get the better of me. This isn't the place to debate things like this, and it looks like I've started a trend.

I certainly have very strong opinions about "conversion therapy", but they shouldn't be dealt with here. This area of the forum is meant to be a welcoming place for new members.

If you want to debate in one of the actual debate forums, we can do that.

 

[Willamena]

Since when do we attack people in their introductory thread?

 

[tumbleweed41]

Since when do we attack people in their introductory thread?

Indeed.

Welcome to RF Mr Robertson. You will find a very diverse group here. Many of whom are not Christians and so would not accept Biblical evidence as to what is a 'sin' and what is not.
Just remember to follow the rules, and you will be engaged in many debates on your personal and religious stances.

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

Absolutely. The decent thing to do is admit you're unqualified to address any psychological issues, because, as you even acknowledge, you have no training to do so. Just because someone has a religious "calling" doesn't automatically confer any particular ability or skills. Even those who've gone through seminary training to become ministers have had several courses in counseling. You're just winging it, and in issues you regard as truly medical. I don't know how you can justify such ill-conceived intrusion. Just because people trust you doesn't mean their trust is well placed, and I believe you know it. The right and ethical thing to do is to excuse yourself from their problem and suggest they get professional help---as in those educated, trained, and certified in the field. You're out of your element here, and as I said before, are leaving yourself open to a possible law suit.

I don't quite understand how you can say this. If you don't believe that homosexuality is a psychological issue, then what it the problem?

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

You think that MAKING A BABY is some kind of sign that he's Loving this woman,
in the profoundly adoring and erotic way a loving heterosexual (or even bi-sexual) man would?

A sign? Perhaps. The two of them seem very happy together, they have some interests in common, and they come to church functions, which is important. All things considered, I would say that they are doing as well, or better, than most couples, especially those who base their relationship on sex. A marriage should be a commitment, a friendship and a family, not just an excuse to use someone for sexual favors.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

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A sign? Perhaps. The two of them seem very happy together, they have some interests in common, and they come to church functions, which is important. All things considered, I would say that they are doing as well, or better, than most couples, especially those who base their relationship on sex. A marriage should be a commitment, a friendship and a family, not just an excuse to use someone for sexual favors.

The reduction of homosexual commitments (marriages, for lack of a better term) to simply sexual favors is fantastically short-sided. Homosexual couples do not just sit around naked in their houses having sex 24-7. They do all the things that heterosexual couples do - enjoy meals together, talk, go to church, pay their taxes, and even watch TV and go to sporting events, enjoying eachother's company and becoming more and more intimate.

Heck, they even raise children together - either from a previous marriage, adoption, and IVF.

So gay marriage is "a commitment, a friendship and a family." Sex is a bonus.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't know why somebody would want to insult me, I'm just a country preacher.....

Insults & scorn are much like rain...they fall on everyone, even a caring & sensitive guy like me, surprisingly.

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

Matthew 19 (New International Version)

10The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."

11Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[c]because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

Did not Jesus teach its better to renounce all sex ?

What does this have to do with former homosexuals? Jesus is responsing to this question from the Pharisees:

7They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

...which has nothing to do with homosexuality.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Insults & scorn are much like rain...they fall on everyone, even me.

Say it ain't so!

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

I think I should apologize. I let my anger get the better of me. This isn't the place to debate things like this, and it looks like I've started a trend.

I certainly have very strong opinions about "conversion therapy", but they shouldn't be dealt with here. This area of the forum is meant to be a welcoming place for new members.

If you want to debate in one of the actual debate forums, we can do that.

It's OK, I have thick skin. Yes, I would be happy to debate this issue further. I think that there is much we can learn from each other.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

It's OK, I have thick skin. Yes, I would be happy to debate this issue further. I think that there is much we can learn from each other.

*farts*

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

The reduction of homosexual commitments (marriages, for lack of a better term) to simply sexual favors is fantastically short-sided. Homosexual couples do not just sit around naked in their houses having sex 24-7. They do all the things that heterosexual couples do - enjoy meals together, talk, go to church, pay their taxes, and even watch TV and go to sporting events, enjoying eachother's company and becoming more and more intimate.

Heck, they even raise children together - either from a previous marriage, adoption, and IVF.

So gay marriage is "a commitment, a friendship and a family." Sex is a bonus.

What church would a homosexual couple go to, and what, do you think, the preacher would be hoping to accomplish? I realize that there are some frauds out there who just want to fill their offering plates, but I can't imagine anyone stooping so low as to allow homosexual couples to attend services. What sort of statement does that make to the rest of the congregation?

The pretty picture that you paint, of homosexual couples, just does not jibe with what I have seen. When I was working in the computer field, I did have a friend who was a "drag queen", although he participated in this activity, not for sex, but for showmanship. The majority of his friends were homosexual, and he once told me, I quote, "Half of my friends have full-blown AIDS". I don't consider that to be an allegory of the monogamous society that you are describing.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

What church would a homosexual couple go to, and what, do you think, the preacher would be hoping to accomplish? I realize that there are some frauds out there who just want to fill their offering plates, but I can't imagine anyone stooping so low as to allow homosexual couples to attend services. What sort of statement does that make to the rest of the congregation?

Any church. I've found that any population has about 10% homosexuals, be it a university, a seminary, or a church. I know of one homosexual couple who lived together - and one was the youth minister and one was the music minister in the same *conservative* Southern Baptist Church. Christian homosexuals who love the Lord will either attend church faithfully in the closet (may or may not practice it) or attend churches that don't care about their sexuality.

The pretty picture that you paint, of homosexual couples, just does not jibe with what I have seen. When I was working in the computer field, I did have a friend who was a "drag queen", although he participated in this activity, not for sex, but for showmanship. The majority of his friends were homosexual, and he once told me, I quote, "Half of my friends have full-blown AIDS". I don't consider that to be an allegory of the monogamous society that you are describing.

I think that you're lying through your teeth here. A meditation on Rev. 21.8 is in order.

 

[Dezzie]

Glad to have you! I look forward to hearing some of your thoughts and ideas!

 

[.lava]

hello this is the longest introduction thread i've ever seen.

Dr.Who? if i haven't welcomed you yet, forgive me. welcome to the forum

btw .. did someone say fart? could that be some kind of art movement like F! Art or something?
ahh excuse my silliness; i saw many integral problems today

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