Hate Crimes - OK To Commit Say Some?

[Revoltingest]

Lawyer: Lesbians’ assault on gay man can’t be hate crime - BostonHerald.com

The article brings up an issue.
Is one entitled to commit hate crimes with impunity if one belongs (sort of) to the same group as the victim?
Lunacy, I say!

 

[dawny0826]

No. It's a crime, regardless.

 

[Storm]

No. But not all crimes are hate crimes. This, from what I saw, simply wasn't.

From the article, the only reason the term "hate crime" was even raised was because the perp used slurs in the act. That's... not good enough.

If a woman kills her husband's mistress, it's not a hate crime because she yelled "****" as she pulled the trigger. Disturbed, violent people use disturbing, violent language, end of story.

 

[Revoltingest]

No. It's a crime, regardless.

Assault is still a crime, but the perps are exempt from additional punishment for "hate".
I'll tell yah, if someone beats me to a bloody pulp, I don't care whether it's out of
dispassionate sociopathy or hate....I think the crime is the same.

 

[Revoltingest]

From the article, the only reason the term "hate crime" was even raised was because the perp used slurs in the act. That's... not good enough.

But if a stogie smoking redneck wearing a wife beater did the same deed & said the same, it would definitely be a hate crime.
Lesbians are inherently exempt from serving additional time for hating.

If a woman kills her husband's mistress, it's not a hate crime because she yelled "****" as she pulled the trigger. Disturbed, violent people use disturbing, violent language, end of story.

Sluts aren't a protected group. But frankly, I like them.

 

[Storm]

Assault is still a crime, but the perps are exempt from additional punishment for "hate".
I'll tell yah, if someone beats me to a bloody pulp, I don't care whether it's out of
dispassionate sociopathy or hate....I think the crime is the same.

Yeah, but if he did it because he doesn't like Scottish groundkeepers, wouldn't you jump at the opportunity to increase his sentence?

And hate crimes aren't always violent, either.

 

[dawny0826]

Assault is still a crime, but the perps are exempt from additional punishment for "hate".
I'll tell yah, if someone beats me to a bloody pulp, I don't care whether it's out of
dispassionate sociopathy or hate....I think the crime is the same.

I like Storm's explanation. The article didn't suggest to me that this was a hate crime.

If there's reason to believe that the crime is a "hate" crime, then it should be treated as such. It's still an assault and it's hateful, but I don't think that this particular crime meets the definition of a sexual orientation-focused hate crime.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah, but if he did it because he doesn't like Scottish groundkeepers, wouldn't you jump at the opportunity to increase his sentence?

Were I fueled by lust for retribution, then I'd jump at any chance to punish.
But we shouldn't enact laws based upon the wants of a rampaging vengeful Revoltistanian.
We're talking about public policy & what is just.

 

[Storm]

But if a stogie smoking redneck wearing a wife beater did the same deed & said the same, it would definitely be a hate crime.

I wouldn't consider that sufficient, either.

Lesbians are inherently exempt from serving additional time for hating.

Nope.

Sluts aren't a protected group. But frankly, I like them.

Women are; I consider the word **** to be a misogynistic slur, but I'm a bit hard nosed on that particular one. Sub the censored b-word if you like, the point remains the same.

 

[Storm]

Were I fueled by lust for retribution, then I'd jump at any chance to punish.
But we shouldn't enact laws based upon the wants of a rampaging vengeful Revoltistanian.
We're talking about public policy & what is just.

OK, let's back away from violent hate crimes then.

Should spray painting a swastika on a synagogue be protected or criminal? That's a hate crime, too.

 

[Revoltingest]

I like Storm's explanation. The article didn't suggest to me that this was a hate crime.

Let's not wallow in the facts, young lady!
The article is an inspiration to explore the issue in all its possibilities.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Hate crimes only apply to white people beating up blacks.

 

[dawny0826]

Let's not wallow in the facts, young lady!
The article is an inspiration to explore the issue in all its possibilities.

Sorry dude. There weren't any sluts to expose. Maybe next time.

 

[Revoltingest]

Should spray painting a swastika on a synagogue be protected or criminal? That's a hate crime, too.

It's criminal to vandalize property.
I'd say that is sufficient, & should be treated more harshly than it currently is.

 

[Reptillian]

In my experience, how one feels about hate crimes boils down to how he or she answers this question: Should the response to a crime depend upon the criminal's motivation for it?

 

[Father Heathen]

Hate crimes only apply to white people beating up blacks.

Sure seems that way, because when it happens the other way around, society keeps strangely silent.

 

[Storm]

It's criminal to vandalize property.

Don't be dense.

I'd say that is sufficient, & should be treated more harshly than it currently is.

Disagree.

 

[Storm]

In my experience, how one feels about hate crimes boils down to how he or she answers this question: Should the response to a crime depend upon the criminal's motivation for it?

I don't think that's an accurate distillation, actually. I think hate crimes are, in essence, psychological warfare against a demographic.

And since it was brought up, yes majority demographics can be victims of hate crimes too. At least in my estimation.

 

[dawny0826]

I don't think that's an accurate distillation, actually. I think hate crimes are, in essence, psychological warfare against a demographic.

And since it was brought up, yes majority demographics can be victims of hate crimes too. At least in my estimation.

Wouldn't it still be a hate crime, if the motivation behind the crime was the overall hatred for the demographic or group in which the individual comes from?

 

[Revoltingest]

In my experience, how one feels about hate crimes boils down to how he or she answers this question: Should the response to a crime depend upon the criminal's motivation for it?

I consider intent important in a different way.
When the intended result is less than the result, that could be a mitigating factor.
Example: I saw friend Wirey in a bar, & punched him cuz I hate Canuckistanian oil shale workers.
1) I intended only a fat lip, but he died.
2) I intended to beat him to death, & he died.
3) Just like #2, but I yelled "I hate those hosers in Canuckistan!".
I argue that #1 should receive a lighter sentence than #2 & #3.
#2 & #3 should be the same sentence because same result & same intention.
Wirey objects to all 3 scenarios.