pandamonk said:
So he doesn't want do rid the world of evil? But there would always be external good(god), where there was suffering or not. I agree he knows it would happen so it limits one of the other.
It
does not limit one or the other. And that paragraph was so convoluted I have no idea what it even meant.
pandamonk said:
But he keeps creating them, so he could stop whenever he wanted and end evil.
Yep. He probably thought of that when he finally stopped. He probably didn't want this world to go on forever. It's like this: My parents probably knew that at some point I would have problems in my life. But then, why didn't they kill me when I was a baby? Because by fighting through whatever problems I would have, I can grow to be a good, happy adult. Suffering is fleeting.
pandamonk said:
In the spirit world? Sorry i wouldn't know, never been. ave you?
Okay, so you're debating me about a God you don't believe in, but when I also say I believe in a spirit world, this suddenly becomes too much to handle? Because this actually makes god logical, doesn't it? And your entire argument is based on an illogical god, isn't it?
pandamonk said:
He is look out for himself you are saying? "for our eternal good" our eternal good is God(allegedly)
Our eternal good isn't merely God. It's learning and growing and returning to live with him, and then perhaps becoming like him.
pandamonk said:
But with his power he could allow us into eternal paradise.
How do you know? You still haven't adequately defined "his power." What exactly is "his power?" And how do you know what the bounds of "his power" are? Do you see my signiature? You inspired me to make that my signiature, and it applies. See, your problem is, you just sat down one day and said, "this is how god should be." Unfortunately for you, that's not how I see god as being.
pandamonk said:
Yes he has. I just said that.
pandaomk said:
Because without learning, we could never become like him.
pandamonk said:
Couldn't he of made us in such a way that we don't need to learn?
No.
pandamonk said:
Please explain to me how an omnipotent being can suffer?
Please define for me omnipotence. I'm sure you're defining omnipotence to mean that he can create a square circle or a rock he cannot lift. So why shouldn't he be able to suffer? Even if you're not going to define your terms for me, you might want to at least try to be internally consitent in your arguments. If you're not going to define your terms for me, at least define them for yourself, so you can create consistent, coherent arguments.
pandamonk said:
So we can become like god.
pandamonk said:
Why did he create us that way?
Because that's the only way he could create us.
pandamonk said:
Perfection is that which no better can be conceived,
I don't believe that definition is correct. I think perfection is that which no better can
exist, not "be conceiced." Can you live with that term? Because if not, we can't debate.
pandamonk said:
I would have thought you would have known the definition of a god and perfection.
I know the definition of god and perfection. You're just not using them, so I wanted to know what your "definition" of them was.