God is disproven by science? Really?

[joe1776]

True. But the damage is a physical situation, and all thoughts &c are biochemical and bioelectrical brain states. No third way of being is involved.

Once again, I'm not offering proof of God. However, you are jumping to a conclusion that the oceanic feeling of love and connection to humanity in the unblocked, undamaged right brain was caused normally because we don't know the cause.

All we know is that the unblocked, undamaged right brain of the brain scientist rendered an experience unlike conscious reality. Therefore, your proposal that, in order to qualify for existence, an entity must be like something we can perceive consciously is probably invalid.

 

[blü 2]

Once again, I'm not offering proof of God. However, you are jumping to a conclusion that the oceanic feeling of love and connection to humanity in the unblocked, undamaged right brain was caused normally because we don't know the cause.

In a healthy brain, all emotional responses are biochemical, in particular hormonal. The hormonal aspects of the brain are how we feel as well as think.

All we know is that the unblocked, undamaged right brain of the brain scientist rendered an experience unlike conscious reality.

So do hallucinations, optical and other sensory illusions, certain drug trips and so on. So is the supernatural just a drug trip? Brain damage? What is your argument, exactly?

 

[joe1776]

In a healthy brain, all emotional responses are biochemical, in particular hormonal. The hormonal aspects of the brain are how we feel as well as think.

How do you know that when we are limited only to conscious perceptions? We have no idea of what's going on in our unconscious mind.

So do hallucinations, optical and other sensory illusions, certain drug trips and so on. So is the supernatural just a drug trip? Brain damage? What is your argument, exactly?

(Repeating) All we know is that the unblocked, undamaged right brain of the brain scientist rendered an experience unlike conscious reality. Therefore, your proposal that, in order to qualify for existence, an entity must be like something we can perceive consciously is probably invalid.

 

[blü 2]

How do you know that when we are limited only to conscious perceptions?

Where did I say that?

(Repeating) All we know is that the unblocked, undamaged right brain of the brain scientist rendered an experience unlike conscious reality. Therefore, your proposal that, in order to qualify for existence, an entity must be like something we can perceive consciously is probably invalid.

Where did I say "perceive consciously"?

In both cases, it's plain we can perceive certain external things eg while we're asleep.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I go with my own conscience on the character of God as portrayed in the bible. If God actually behaves like that then [he]'s grossly unfit for purpose as a source of morality.

Tell me, when you look at yourself honestly, do you approve of invasive war? Massacre of populations? Human sacrifice? Women as property? Slavery?

I'm genuinely curious to hear your answer.

When I look at Jesus Christ and enter the presence of God I’m confronted with the holiness and perfection of God, my flaws are glaring and I bow down in reverence.
As for your other question, these were justifications I used to have so I could continue in my sinful lifestyle, even when I falsely made judgements like this about God, He still saved me when I called out to Him. He didn’t even bring it up, He just adopted me as His son instead.

 

[blü 2]

When I look at Jesus Christ and enter the presence of God I’m confronted with the holiness and perfection of God, my flaws are glaring and I bow down in reverence.

Well, they're your critical faculties, and you can turn them down or off if you want to.

As for your other question, these were justifications I used to have so I could continue in my sinful lifestyle, even when I falsely made judgements like this about God

So you do approve of invasive war, massacre of populations, mass rape, human sacrifice, women as property, slavery and so on then.

Your morality is very different to mine.

(I've never had a sinful lifestyle, and I'm getting a bit old to try it now.)

 

[ElishaElijah]

(I've never had a sinful lifestyle, and I'm getting a bit old to try it now.)

Really? You’ve never lied, stolen, premarital sex, pornography, neglected to do something you should have, unforgiveness, gossip, drunkenness, you have things in the closet you’ve done that you want to take to the grave, you’ve already blasphemed God, how about greed, envy, covetousness? Just asking

 

[blü 2]

Really? You’ve never lied, stolen, premarital sex, pornography, neglected to do something you should have, unforgiveness, gossip, drunkenness, you have things in the closet you’ve done that you want to take to the grave, you’ve already blasphemed God, how about greed, envy, covetousness? Just asking

Told the odd fib, especially when I was a kid, and a few white lies, can't recall stealing much, enjoyed my premarital sex experiences, seen porn, not too bad at forgiving, don't gossip, never hurt anyone while affected by alcohol, and as I said, haven't committed any sins ─ which would involve my knowingly doing harm to others when I could reasonably avoid doing so.

In that latter category ─ sinful because they involve choosing to do harm ─ are invasive war, massacre of populations, rape and mass rape, human sacrifice, murderous religious intolerance, women as property, slavery and so on. I trust you haven't done any of those things, but considering you think they're all okay, I worry that, if you don't do them, you nonetheless cheer for them.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Many people mostly atheists believe that God has been disproven or has being shown to be non-existent.

Who are these people?

Sincerely,
A life long atheist who has no clue what you are on about.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Basically yes, since you cannot dis-agree with me if you do not know the topic of intelligence.

The most intelligent ghost that never lies just told me that you're wrong.

So, there.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Told the odd fib, especially when I was a kid, and a few white lies, can't recall stealing much, enjoyed my premarital sex experiences, seen porn, not too bad at forgiving, don't gossip, never hurt anyone while affected by alcohol, and as I said, haven't committed any sins ─ which would involve my knowingly doing harm to others when I could reasonably avoid doing so.

In that latter category ─ sinful because they involve choosing to do harm ─ are invasive war, massacre of populations, rape and mass rape, human sacrifice, murderous religious intolerance, women as property, slavery and so on. I trust you haven't done any of those things, but considering you think they're all okay, I worry that, if you don't do them, you nonetheless cheer for them.

Well, then you’ve lived a sinful lifestyle according to the Bible and if you’re going to judge the Creator who is the only one able to Judge His Creation then yes you’re living a sinful lifestyle by your own admission just like the rest of us. Worse yet you believe you’re justified and can sit in judgement of God, in my view that’s the most prideful sin, worse yet is rejecting Jesus Christ.
So do you condone and support abortion as well seen as you’re concern for innocents is mentioned.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The most intelligent ghost that never lies just told me that you're wrong.

So, there.

That makes as much sense is someone saying “Thank God I’m an atheist”

 

[Darkstorn]

Well, then you’ve lived a sinful lifestyle according to the Bible and if you’re going to judge the Creator who is the only one able to Judge His Creation then yes you’re living a sinful lifestyle by your own admission just like the rest of us. Worse yet you believe you’re justified and can sit in judgement of God, in my view that’s the most prideful sin, worse yet is rejecting Jesus Christ.

Atheists don't believe in gods. They are fully justified in judging your silly interpretation of one. Everything else here is just preaching, not very effectively either.

So do you condone and support abortion as well seen as you’re concern for innocents is mentioned.

You think you're justified in judging someone based on how they answer this question, interestingly enough. So you've committed the sins of hypocrisy and arrogance.

I condone abortion in the cases of rape / when a woman's life is threatened. I also "support" it in the case of people who can't afford to / can't otherwise take care of a baby, instead of adoption. But even more, i'd prefer people without the means to raise a child to practice safe sex instead.

You can go ahead and judge me now.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Atheists don't believe in gods. They are fully justified in judging your silly interpretation of one. Everything else here is just preaching, not very effectively either.



You think you're justified in judging someone based on how they answer this question, interestingly enough. So you've committed the sins of hypocrisy and arrogance.

I condone abortion in the cases of rape / when a woman's life is threatened. I also "support" it in the case of people who can't afford to / can't otherwise take care of a baby, instead of adoption. But even more, i'd prefer people without the means to raise a child to practice safe sex instead.

You can go ahead and judge me now.

I don’t judge anyone but @blü 2 seems to think he can judge the Creator and sits in judgement himself. Not sure what your issue is? I’m was the worst of sinners and not sure if there was a sin I didn’t commit, yet God saved and forgave me.
If you see preaching then you haven’t followed the conversation. So people can blast and judge God and no one is able to ask questions or share their views that differ?
I also don’t think it’s very loving to leave someone condemned without offering the solution I found to get cleansed, forgiven and in right relationship with God, if they want or need that.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Many people mostly atheists believe that God has been disproven or has being shown to be non-existent. But if you knew the definition and explanation of intelligence, or its variants, or synonyms, you will never claim such illogical claim. Thus, intelligence protects the existence of God from those non-intelligent persons.
I hope that before those who claim that God does not exist, let them define "intelligence" first in the usage of God = Intelligent Creator or Intelligent Designer........]

Or, can intelligence come from: non-intelligence _________________

 

[Darkstorn]

I don’t judge anyone but @blü 2 seems to think he can judge the Creator and sits in judgement himself.

That's because he doesn't believe in a god, therefore your words are essentially meaningless. So it's you who's doing the judging.

Or are you "judging yourself" in accordance to Allah?

Not sure what your issue is? I’m was the worst of sinners and not sure if there was a sin I didn’t commit, yet God saved and forgave me.

My issue is your debate style; You seem to think everyone has the same basic default viewpoint as you do. Your arguments are meaningless to a person who doesn't share your exact viewpoint.

If you see preaching then you haven’t followed the conversation.

I have. I think you're preaching.

So people can blast and judge God and no one is able to ask questions or share their views that differ?

People can blast and judge your interpretation of god, sure. I don't get what you're trying to say with the rest of the sentence. But you're trying to judge an actual member of the forums.

I also don’t think it’s very loving to leave someone condemned without offering the solution I found to get cleansed, forgiven and in right relationship with God, if they want or need that.

That's called preaching. To others it's not a solution at all. Atheists don't consider themselves "condemned."

Besides, i don't want to junior mod but you're subverting the rules and intent of this forum section by doing that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Or, can intelligence come from: non-intelligence _________________

The evidence says "Yes".

 

[Subduction Zone]

Who are these people?

Sincerely,
A life long atheist who has no clue what you are on about.

I think that I can understand the "reasoning" of some theists. Please, please note that this does not apply to all theists.

The first thing that almost every theist assumes is that they are worshipping the right and true form of God. Any other version out there is simply not God and made up. So when a scientist can show that their version of God does not exist because of observations that we can make of the real world they make the mistake of thinking that is "disproving God" since they already believe that all of the other versions of God are fake and do not exist. And since they have heard far to often that "Science cannot disprove God" they conclude that that is what others are doing and that they are in the wrong as a result.

An extreme version of this, and I have seen some of them make this claim, is that of Flat Earthers. Some of them think that the idea of a globe Earth was invented to disprove God.

And when one gets down to it there is almost no difference between a YEC and a Flat Earther. A Flat Earther only denies a little bit more of realty than a YEC.

 

[ElishaElijah]

That's because he doesn't believe in a god, therefore your words are essentially meaningless. So it's you who's doing the judging.

Or are you "judging yourself" in accordance to Allah?



My issue is your debate style; You seem to think everyone has the same basic default viewpoint as you do. Your arguments are meaningless to a person who doesn't share your exact viewpoint.



I have. I think you're preaching.



People can blast and judge your interpretation of god, sure. I don't get what you're trying to say with the rest of the sentence. But you're trying to judge an actual member of the forums.



That's called preaching. To others it's not a solution at all. Atheists don't consider themselves "condemned."

Besides, i don't want to junior mod but you're subverting the rules and intent of this forum section by doing that.

Except it’s what I found, and that’s the difference and not preaching. This OP is about God and science so atheist share their views and people of faith share theirs, take it or leave it.
@blü 2 entered the conversation and so did you.

 

[ElishaElijah]

But you're trying to judge an actual member of the forums.

Where’s the judgement, I’ve judged no one, except myself and you saw fit to judge me though didn’t you? Hypocrisy and arrogance