God is disproven by science? Really?

[MrIntelligentDesign]

I seriously doubt that the insane are necessarily faithless. I also seriously doubt that you have the knowledge base (much less the credentials) to make such a preposterous claim.

What I do not doubt is that further discussion with you is worthless.

Probably right, but all humans unless with brain malfunction, have faith to something.

 

[blü 2]

It is like forensic, you do not need to see first the criminal or not, you must first make a system to check. I post this in another thread. I hope it will help you.

The debate will be: which is God or who is God?

But neither this thread nor any others of yours make sense if you can't answer the very basic question, what real thing (if any) do you intend to denote when you say "God"?

If you don't know ─ and that appears to be the case, but feel free to show I'm wrong ─ just say so and save everyone's time.

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[MrIntelligentDesign]

But neither this thread nor any others of yours make sense if you can't answer the very basic question, what real thing (if any) do you intend to denote when you say "God"?

If you don't know ─ and that appears to be the case, but feel free to show I'm wrong ─ just say so and save everyone's time.

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I had already told you that God = Intelligent Creator or Intelligent Designer. Since I discovered intelligence, then, God exist, as evidence from intelligence. Accept it or rebut it.

I mean, you must rediscover intelligence to rebut me.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You must differentiate or categorize the two and give universal numerical limits. If not, then, you are not doing any science at all.

Intelligent Design is your claim. You are the one that needs to define your terms properly. I can properly explain why all that we see is Incompetent Design. But you go first. You were the one that made the claim first and could not properly define your terms.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I had already told you that God = Intelligent Creator or Intelligent Designer. Since I discovered intelligence, then, God exist, as evidence from intelligence. Accept it or rebut it.

I mean, you must rediscover intelligence to rebut me.

Sorry, but that is just word salad that gets you nowhere. Besides, Intelligent Design was refuted a long time ago.

 

[joe1776]

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Nor do I think regarding God as brain damage is helpful to your cause...

Evidently, I didn't explain myself well enough since my post wasn't about God at all and the brain damage wasn't the point.

The damaged left side of the brain only allowed the brain scientist the opportunity to experience the effects of the undamaged right side, effects that are normally blocked by undamaged left-brains.

 

[blü 2]

I had already told you that God = Intelligent Creator or Intelligent Designer. Since I discovered intelligence, then, God exist, as evidence from intelligence. Accept it or rebut it.

You're still ducking the actual question. Describe this real being, so that if we find a suspect we can determine whether it's God or not.

I mean, you must rediscover intelligence to rebut me.

You still haven't provided me with your definition of "intelligence". Again, please state what you're actually talking about.

 

[blü 2]

The damaged left side of the brain only allowed the brain scientist the opportunity to experience the effects of the undamaged right side, effects that are normally blocked by undamaged left-brains.

True. But the damage is a physical situation, and all thoughts &c are biochemical and bioelectrical brain states. No third way of being is involved.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So, those who don't agree with you are "non-intelligent" person's. Brilliant way to write off other rational human beings.

Psalms 14 talks about that.

 

[Viker]

Psalms 14 talks about that.

Why would I care about psalms?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Why would I care about psalms?

Well it’s Psalms and the Bible, you should care so you can get an honest, sober view of yourself, we deceive ourselves.

 

[Viker]

Well it’s Psalms and the Bible, you should care so you can get an honest, sober view of yourself, we deceive ourselves.

It has no relevance or validity for me. And I have a very honest and sober view of myself, no thanks.

 

[blü 2]

Well it’s Psalms and the Bible, you should care so you can get an honest, sober view of yourself, we deceive ourselves.

If I take an honest sober look at myself, I find the morality of the bible god appalling ─ ordering invasive war, massacres of unarmed populations, mass rapes, human sacrifices, murderous religious intolerance, women as property, slavery as normal. Yes, they weren't the only ones who thought that way in the Bronze Age, but it's a vile model in the 21st century.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

If I take an honest sober look at myself, I find the morality of the bible god appalling ─ ordering invasive war, massacres of unarmed populations, mass rapes, human sacrifices, murderous religious intolerance, women as property, slavery as normal. Yes, they weren't the only ones who thought that way in the Bronze Age, but it's a vile model in the 21st century.

Well said, blü 2.

 

[ElishaElijah]

If I take an honest sober look at myself, I find the morality of the bible god appalling ─ ordering invasive war, massacres of unarmed populations, mass rapes, human sacrifices, murderous religious intolerance, women as property, slavery as normal. Yes, they weren't the only ones who thought that way in the Bronze Age, but it's a vile model in the 21st century.

That’s not a honest look at yourself

 

[blü 2]

That’s not a honest look at yourself

So you think I secretly approve of the deeds of God I mentioned?

You could scarcely be more mistaken.

 

[Windwalker]

Since you had the wrong, useless definition of intelligence and even its variants, then, your post is wrong.

I see. Thanks for your wrong opinion.

 

[gnostic]

Many people mostly atheists believe that God has been disproven or has being shown to be non-existent. But if you knew the definition and explanation of intelligence, or its variants, or synonyms, you will never claim such illogical claim. Thus, intelligence protects the existence of God from those non-intelligent persons.

I hope that before those who claim that God does not exist, let them define "intelligence" first in the usage of God = Intelligent Creator or Intelligent Designer.

One.

Do not confuse science with atheism.

Science is religion-neutral, and way to attain knowledge of the natural and physical world.

Atheism don't deal in science. Atheism ONLY deals with the philosophical and theological question of theism - the "existence of a deity". To atheists, they don't believe in

Two.

Science don't prove or disprove anything.

Scientists TEST their new hypotheses or existing scientific theory, through OBSERVATIONS, eg EVIDENCE gathering, performing lab EXPERIMENTs.

The terms "proving" and "disproving" are used in mathematics circle, by solving equation or finding mathematical solutions to problems.

You should know this, if you were really a "genius" in science or "genius" in mathematics.

And you should know that "God", "Creator", "Designer", or whatever you want to call him (or her), isn't something (or someone) that you can test, detect or observe, measure, quantify, etc.

Intelligent Design is much a religious concept as Creationism. Both are unfalsifiable, untestable and unscientific.

So far, I have seen demonstration that you are "genius".

Can you "physically" test or detect God?

If you can't, then there are no evidence for such entity to exist.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So you think I secretly approve of the deeds of God I mentioned?

You could scarcely be more mistaken.

When you sit in judgement of someone is not taking an honest view of yourself, it does reveal something about your character though.

 

[blü 2]

When you sit in judgement of someone is not taking an honest view of yourself, it does reveal something about your character though.

I go with my own conscience on the character of God as portrayed in the bible. If God actually behaves like that then [he]'s grossly unfit for purpose as a source of morality.

Tell me, when you look at yourself honestly, do you approve of invasive war? Massacre of populations? Human sacrifice? Women as property? Slavery?

I'm genuinely curious to hear your answer.