Gender Dysphoria: Collapsing Humanity

[Thief]

I think you might want to read up a bit more on the topics of sex and gender. You seem to be conflating the two, and unaware of how both of these are to some extent constructs. There are plenty of natural phenomena that suggest sex and gender are not binary, but rather a spectrum. Especially if one looks outside of humans, where monoecy and asexuality is vastly more common than mammalian dioecy.

so if a peacock can 'feel' pretty

so can I

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So, if something occurs in the lower orders of animals, it should occur in humans too ?

It doesn't mean it should, but it helps to know what other animals are doing (such, no social animals need a book to tell them how to behave pro-socially so why is it thought humans do?), and it gives us a much clearer picture of biology (some horse and pig parts are usable in people, and a pigs internal anatomy looks very similar to a humans). Sex changing isn't really that uncommon or unusual.
And, really, those "lower animals," because they eat, drink, sleep, and reproduce, should is occur in humans too?

Marsupials have pouches, do you have a pouch ?

Obviously not given humans are not marsupials.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As I said, gender is a social concept, irrelevant as to sex. They were men, who had been mutilated. The DNA in every cell they had would show them to be of the male sex.

But your claim that they were men and not a gender is wrong. Socially, eunuchs were not regarded as men.

 

[suncowiam]

Rubbish.

You misunderstood my meaning. Please read what I highlighted and consider other meanings...

 

[9-18-1]

Then instead of spewing utter nonsense why not leave the issue of gender dysphoria to medicine?

And don't have any problems with any people? You associate gender dysphoria with the collapse of humanity. That's a rather nasty thing to assert as it's baseless and untrue any way you look at it.

Except for asexual, hermaphrodites, intersexuals, and so on and so forth.

Well for one the entire campaign of gender dysphoria is being done in the health systems - therapies are being funded etc. You are essentially saying why not leave the problem in the hands of those causing it? That might not be a good thing to do.

I do not associate gender dysphoria with the collapse of humanity. Gender dysphoria is presently "collapsing humanity" - it might not collapse entirely - I am not sure what humanity will choose. I know China will be safe, as well as Russia and some other European countries that did not allow the invasion migrant scam to happen to them. I actually don't have problems with people - mainly institutions. It may be nasty, but it is certainly not baseless and untrue as pretty much everyone will learn as time goes on. Everything seems to accelerate as one ages.

That is what I am interested in, how you view it within the bigger picture of what you have described above wrt the micro and macro scales of procreation/ongoing creation. Homosexual (or indeed heterosexual) sexual relations that do not involve a phallus or some object fitting into a hole would appear (on the face of it) to be incompatible with your focus on the importance of procreation/ongoing creation or some relationship between a bestower and a recipient. That is where my interest lies - in your overall world view and how it all fits together.

Obviously homosexuals do not pass on their seed to be developed in a womb (unless they arrange it clinically). As such homosexuals are not participating in the *further* propagation of (their own "kind" of) biological life - which naturally follows anyways. This is why I use the terms "sex" and "kind" as related to one another, but I understand people might understand it differently - it is based on the language. My understanding takes into consideration the Hebrew language/usage and what was actually written "each according to its kind". Homosexuals are according to their kind, as any other being is according to its kind. There is no real further implication than this - in the case of two men one can act (effectively) as the bestower and the other the receiver: it can work both ways. There is still a shared will between two beings, which is all that is required for "creation" but obviously not ngoing creation". That is to say two men could share a will and manifest/create whatever life they envision for themselves - this is creation according to its kind too. But they simply can not procreate.

They can still have children/family and live a good life - the only barrier is the lack of womb to produce natural hereditary life which requires the man and woman / seed and womb. I would suggest any development of a fetus outside of a living woman's womb is unnatural.

I'll leave these little critters to decompose your argument they so powerfully destroy.

Please note: worms are not human.

@9-18-1,

Most respectfully please consider your words below:

The first is the premise of this thread which you say is based on scripture. The second is your claim that the scripture is mythology for you. How do you reconcile these two opposing views?

It seems like you want to discredit the idea of non-binary genders and to dispute that trans-gender people exist. You are welcome to your opinion. But, if you want to use scripture from the Old Testament to support your belief, I'm sorry, but the data simply does not support your claim.




If you read scripture as mythology, then citing scripture to support your belief in only 2 genders is very weak evidence.

Please clarify "based on scripture". I indicated practically all religious scriptures' creation accounts center around there being a primordial archetypal man and woman. I am not citing it as any kind of authority, just "it is there". We're getting a lot of nonsense from people about scriptures recognizing this recognizing that (lol). As such I hold scripture *is* mythology and should be read as such: not literal/historical but containing hidden truths.

It is the idol worshipers that imagine physical Adams, Eves, Abrahams and Sarahs (who did not exist), Moses (who was not even a Jew), Jesus (who is the sun), Muhammad (who was a human trafficker and woman abuser dictator war lord, as are many Islamic "leaders") etc. These people are absolutely pathetic with their lies (beginning with the Jews) and Muslims essentially learning from the Jews how to lie and get away with it. Case in point: Qur'an, the same "claim" made by the Jews - it is the perfect word of god.

Reality check: THEY ARE BOTH MAN-MADE. The JEWS and the MUSLIMS are killing each other over NOTHING but LIES. Yes, I know that sounds over-the-top but what is the barrier that is preventing you from considering that "Moses" was guided by any god of the Jews for he was not a Jew himself? That is a big, big problem for Judaism (and Islam) if Moses was not a Jew - and only one contingency: bloodshed over lies. That is what I am trying to prevent "believers" doing to each other, but they are too busy worshiping their idols and forcing these lies down the throats of children who grow up to become absolutely unstable - if not from abuse physically, psychologically, sexually, emotionally etc. because it is the religious "believers" who "believe" their own nonsense is "true". This is why "belief" is not a virtue - it is a plague, a vice, a source of ignorance like a void.

I do not dispute trans gender people exist. In fact I can't: otherwise I would not even mention gender dysphoria, for the latter causes the former to occur. Of course they exist: that is not a problem. The question is why - the answer is more sinister than most people would be able to swallow. It has to do with military strategy - I am sorry people but I have been studying Islamic jihad warfare tactics for the past 4 years and understand how Islam systematically advances its jihad in stages. In my private life I work as an data analyst relating to AI in a private lab which I am not supposed to talk about outside of personal family. My team and I analyze "data" from a cloud of inter-connected databases using AI as a seeker/compiler system which uses "AIHuman" logics to resolve humanitarian conflicts. Long story short: if humanity actually "saw" the deception behind the religious institutions of the world, probably over half would commit suicide. What these institutions are doing to women/children would send any religious "follower" into a shock if they knew what they were worshiping/supporting.

So when you say "data does not support your claim" how about you look at the "claim" surrounding the Torah (and Qur'an) and find it has more than one author - meaning it is not from any god. Look at what the Jews' example did for Islam - worshiping books and Male Idols. Hundreds of millions of people are dead over literal *lies* and all you people can complain about is "ohh my feelings!"

What are you, a psychopath? It's usually the people that mistreat people who claim that they aren't concerned with people's feelings and take no responsibility for how their behavior effects others. And hypocrisy and bigotry are two different things. Please consult a dictionary.

If you want to see psychopath, take a look at what these religious institutions are doing to women/children behind closed doors. Here I am addressing global rape/trafficking networks tied to religious institutions and you are here complaining about "feelings".

Your own hypocrisy is beyond bigotry - so indeed two different things. I don't have a word for the degree of how you put people's personal "feelings" before addressing humanity as a whole. Is any ones personal feelings more important than putting an end to perpetual war and bloodshed - exploitation of women and children? Are your personal feelings more important that that?

Who exactly are *you* calling a psychopath? I've never done anything in my life that comes close to what these religious "leaders" have and do get away with while lying to their own people to "fight in our cause!". It is pathetic - as is your attempt to inflate the importance of peoples "feelings" in the face of such. I am not responsible for how another person "feels" - I take responsibility for my own thoughts, feelings, and actions regardless of who says/does what. I do not let others control me - nothing offends me outside of how powerful men treat/exploit women - which is the entire basis of my motivation to understanding why men do it.

The answer is: religion protects/shields them, just like how terms such as "antisemitism" and "Islamophobia" are fascist terms used to suppress opposition to those institutions. Humanity is presently serious retarded for not seeing the source of fascism: the Middle-Eastern (Semitic) religions. Oh no, I can't say Semitic religions? Why not?

Because the lying "fake" Jews (who know the Torah is man-made) are cowards and *know* they are liars who must protect themselves. The same is true for the lying "real" Muslim scholars/imams and MB leaders: cowards. It is a common trend and they can't face criticisms to their face - it boils their Canaanite blood to the point where they desire to spill blood. That is exactly what happens inside the Muslim when he/she hears that Muhammad was a psychopathic pedophile genocidal suicidal sexually degenerated human trafficking fascist dictator war lord that killed essentially everyone that did not "agree" with him. How is that for a psychopath?

That *is* the leader of Islam.

The Bible as science is someone who doesn't have a clue. About either science or the Bible.

It's not science - the word "science" means to inquire. If you are talking about the institution of science, this is relative.

 

[9-18-1]

I did get on with it. There is no attack at all...go back to your OP and read it yourself. Therein, exactly what I claim, "a hodge-podge of ill-informed speculation, based in perception, often religiously informed, but certainly not based on any science." With no difficulty at all, you yourself could identify each of those ill-informed, unscientific speculations. Telling somebody they made a spelling error is not an attack on their literacy, it is pointing out a simple fact.

There is a difference between "a hodge-podge of ill-informed speculation, based in perception, often religiously informed, but certainly not based on any science." (which funnily is a statement that describes itself) and a spelling error.

Fundamentally I don't care how others read/interpret what I write, as there is literally nothing I can do to prevent people from seeing it however they want to see it. If you see it as you describe - you're really only describing how you see it.

Go back to your own OP. It essentially states, "if you got a dick, you're a guy, and if you've got a *****, you're a chick." You are, you claim, as you are defined below your waist, which is about 3 feet lower than your brain, which is the actual holder of the essential, spiritual and true you.

Actually no, it does not say that anywhere. You might want to read it that way so as to continue attacking me, but I will clarify. I stated there are only two genders. I did not state anything resembling the notion that masculine is always associated with the phallus. In fact I stated the opposite: that the will to bestow/receive principles transcends gender entirely.

So you disagree with the notion that who you identify as in your own mind is who you actually are? Where, then, do you think your identity comes from? So far, all I've got from you is your dick or your *****. How about toes, fingers, beer belly, epic moustache?

I can tell you: whoever "identifies" with/as their "own mind" is insane. The mind it not being: it is something we have. We are neither the body nor the mind. People who think in such ways become attached to them: identifying with/as them. Identity is self-appropriated - we become what we think. So far, all you are reading is being obscured by your own looking for ways to "take offense" by reducing the OP into your own sickly thing: "all I've got from you is your dick or your *****".

This is your own filth, not mine.

I find this particularly ugly, and extremely ill-informed, informed, as it is, by your own self-perceptions. It might surprise you to learn that you are not the be-all and end-all.

I put myself neither higher nor lower than anyone else that I know not of. If I know someone/something has done much worse things than I ever have, I will try to understand how/why they are causing harm to others and help end it. Unfortunately this is now a global problem: ISIS mentality infection of people always hostile, hostile, hostile, us vs. them, racist, bigot etc. All of these labels - why? That is just how it is with idolatrous religions - I am not the one worshiping the idols, I would actually prefer to see them destroyed (Moses/Jesus/Muhammad) and will work to this end as I am even compelled to: fundamentally I know the institutions are false and man-made. One can not *know* that and not doing anything about it unless they don't care about the future of humanity at all.

I rather suspect, by the way, that many "who suffer gender dysphoria are so short and easily offended," as you put it, are more likely to be easily offended by your own attitudes, and those like you, than anything to do with their own self-identification.

I get testy when people hate me for no reason other than their own, too.

Except I don't care if people are offended by something I say. I don't go out of my way to offend people (it probably appears that way to people who are constantly looking for things to be offended by) but I also really don't care if I say something that is true and someone gets offended. They could calmly ask me how I know it is true, but getting offended because it offends their own personal "beliefs" is pure socialist rot and destroys nations. The seed of such is Judaism/Islam: people who suffer themselves that try to make everyone else suffer as much as they suffer (themselves). That is just a perpetual destructive force. So given the gravity of the global problem, the truth behind the lies and how many people have suffered as a result of this is enough to put most in the hospital. That is how/why I work in the lab I work in: the data we see can get extremely "this can not be real", but it is. You people have no idea - I am giving you the answer: Judaism/Christianity/Islam are pure idol worship and built on layers and layers of lies - lies after lies after lies.

People should pay attention to US politics going forward - some of what I am saying will invariably make itself present there.

I find it amazing that you feel so terribly threatened by individuals choosing for themselves to identify as a gender other than masculine or feminine. Why this obsession with pigeonholing everyone into narrow categories based upon your irrational fears? Why does what feels normal and natural to you have to feel normal and natural to everyone else as well? That seems to reflect more on your own insecurities than anything else.

I'm not "threatened" by anyone. If anything others' "identity" probably feels threatened as a result of reading something they don't "like". The majority of responses (save a few actually considerate ones) of some people are coming out with are rooted in one of two things: personal attacks rooted in being triggered and/or confusing their own perception of "how" they read it and "what" is actually written. It is the same damn problem as gender dysphoria itself: rejecting the reality in favor of something that addresses a personal psychological need. This is a psychosis - *not* rooted in reality but psychological projections. It is technically the same illness Islam/Muhammad (Allah) is and accompanies and "belief"-based world view.

I am sorry Jews/Christians/Muslims, transgender people, whoever reads something I write and gets "offended" etc. However I am not responsible for your thoughts, feelings or emotions. YOU are. I am responsible for mine - and my thoughts are you people are worshiping idols designed to enslave you (there is a formula/framework that details how idolatrous empires sustain themselves) and the people enslaving you are absolutely beyond sick.

I am trying to get you people to stop fighting one another but I see people are just so conditioned to finger point and blame someone/something for their own suffering. I don't suffer you people, or under any religion or "belief" system. I am completely free and content with my being except for one source of suffering: how women are being treated on the planet. That is actually all I care about - the women. I don't care about (the idol worshiping) men and I am just as happy and content that they kill each other over their pathetic dead Men idols as they have been for thousands of years.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Among the many (sometimes highly) questionable things one might find in (any) scripture (especially relating to what one might consider basic human morality/decency), one of the elements that seems to be consistent is the notion that there are only two genders: masculine (man with a phallus) and feminine (woman with a vagina). If one stops here, there is not a single natural phenomena (that is not imagined and later turned into a psychopathy) which suggests anything otherwise. Or in other words, on this one thing: the many scriptures of the world got it 'right'.

Now, however, humanity seems frustrated by these two *real* genders and have decided to disassociate themselves by identifying as "something else" hence the many many so-called "genders" of today.

This, I suggest without reservation, is a sign of a collapsing / degenerating humanity. It is unfortunate to admit, and to accept as simply true, but I am not one to chase after making what "sounds" good the reality as "believers" so often do. This again is why "belief" is not a virtue - it is a barrier that prevents one from seeing/accepting the reality that he/she is invariably *in* and/or a part of. This is where gender (as well as other/all types of) dysphoria becomes a red flag: people are rejecting the reality in which they live, and trying to alter it to accommodate their own (likely trauma-induced) dysphoric worldview much to the overall detriment of all others.

The basic framework of continuous creation is very simple; being comprised of three components:

i. Will (individual/shared)
ii. To Bestow (ie. man bestows phallus; masculine)
iii. To Receive (ie. woman receives phallus; feminine)

which operate as a triunity where ii. and iii. are two willing conscious beings.

For example, when two people (disregarding gender for now) interact, one acts as a(n archetypal) bestower, and the other a(n archetypal) receiver. The most explicit example of this is a/the sexual act.

Here is how basic "creation" works:

When the will of one who bestows
becomes the same (shared will) as
the will of the other who receives
two become one.

This is practically the same meaning of the "name" the god of Moses gives:

"I am that I am"
is also
I am (who bestows) that I am (who receives)

because the will is shared/perfect:
I am that I am
'Let there be light,' and there was light.
etc.

A crude graphic to supplement words:

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Here we find an equilateral triangle containing the two modes of will (to bestow and to receive) joined at the top by will itself. However, the top will can be in two states: shared and/or unshared.

When a will is shared, this is "good". The only limitation (Hebrew: 'soph') is the imagination(s) of the beings within the partnership. This is why aur ein soph is "light without limitation". When two beings become one wherein the will to receive becomes the others' will to bestow, this is akin to the "kingdom of heaven" that is within, as there are no real limitations in such an internal state of being when two are acting as one.

When a will is not shared, this is "evil". If one being has a will to bestow/receive something from another, but the other does not share in it, and the first in any way forces the second to undergo anything he/she does not themselves will, this is where from "evil"; pain, suffering, slavery, war, resentment etc. result. An explicit example of this on an individual basis would be rape.

As such the appreciation of only two genders not only recognizes the (correct) fundamental basis of existence in its entirety (even as acknowledged by virtually all scriptures) but contains within it the key to continuous creation.

This is yet another of one of the many reasons I find any "religion" that utilizes male central figures as authoritative idols to follow are inherently idolatrous: Judaism/Islam and Christianity are notorious for this. Being that they are based in "belief" it stands to follow why I also repeat: "belief" is not a virtue.

When one alone looks at the nature of a being such as the prophet of Islam in light of this, one finds that a religion such as Islam does virtually nothing to balance/stabilize the genders on the planet: in fact it does quite the opposite. Because such religions are idolatrous and use male central patriarchal figures (who for all intents and purposes was a dictator war lord in the case of Islam) as the "example" for all of humanity, how these central figures behaved with women sets the precedent for the entire empire and how adherents likewise treat women. This involves (and sets the precedence for) pedophilia: a man having sexual intercourse with a child as young as nine. When one factors in that such a leader as Muhammad had multiple wives and sex slaves: allowing his followers to take up to four wives, we find Islam is fundamentally rooted in sexual degeneracy that involves men forcing themselves on women and/or having an exceedingly disproportionate power *over* women. The same is true today and continues to motive similarly sexually degenerated politicians who have warlord attitudes. Here I refer to individuals such as PM of Canada Justin Trudeau, Turkey's Erdogan and SA's MBS - all deeply rooted in corruption.

As such the gender dysphoria problem is deeply rooted in institutions such as Islam (herein I include Judaism) by proxy: women who are abused/accused by men for simply being a woman and/or men who are lead to feel ashamed for being a man begin to pathologically disassociate themselves from their natural birth gender as a result/response of/to shame (which is also not a virtue). As stated earlier, this is a red flag and indicates there is essentially a "war" against humanity: not the least of which is women (in the case of Islam).

This again brings me back to why "belief" is not a virtue: "believing" that any particular book or long-dead man is the greatest thing to use (ie. bind ones self to) as a guide has produced nothing but long-term destruction on this planet, which is why I vehemently oppose the Patriarchal institutions causing it: not the least of which are Islam and Christianity.

For those who have perhaps read my other two posts: this "shame" is another form of "the expression of being bound in an ongoing state" (satan) and is at the basis of the gender dysphoria. As such, I do say (not rhetorically) that gender dysphoria is practically "satanic", along with the religions and peoples of religions that cause / give rise to it.

It's really pretty simple. If you identify as male or female, good for you. If someone else identifies as anything else, no one says you need to like it, approve of it, or even understand it. All you have to do is mind your own business. Problem solved, humanity saved.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

I would suggest any development of a fetus outside of a living woman's womb is unnatural.

How do you define what is natural and what is unnatural (in general terms)?

 

[shmogie]

But your claim that they were men and not a gender is wrong. Socially, eunuchs were not regarded as men.

So ?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Because the lying "fake" Jews (who know the Torah is man-made) are cowards and *know* they are liars who must protect themselves. The same is true for the lying "real" Muslim scholars/imams and MB leaders: cowards. It is a common trend and they can't face criticisms to their face - it boils their Canaanite blood to the point where they desire to spill blood. That is exactly what happens inside the Muslim when he/she hears that Muhammad was a psychopathic pedophile genocidal suicidal sexually degenerated human trafficking fascist dictator war lord that killed essentially everyone that did not "agree" with him. How is that for a psychopath?

Are you okay? Need your meds upped?

 

[QuestioningMind]

There is a difference between "a hodge-podge of ill-informed speculation, based in perception, often religiously informed, but certainly not based on any science." (which funnily is a statement that describes itself) and a spelling error.

Fundamentally I don't care how others read/interpret what I write, as there is literally nothing I can do to prevent people from seeing it however they want to see it. If you see it as you describe - you're really only describing how you see it.



Actually no, it does not say that anywhere. You might want to read it that way so as to continue attacking me, but I will clarify. I stated there are only two genders. I did not state anything resembling the notion that masculine is always associated with the phallus. In fact I stated the opposite: that the will to bestow/receive principles transcends gender entirely.



I can tell you: whoever "identifies" with/as their "own mind" is insane. The mind it not being: it is something we have. We are neither the body nor the mind. People who think in such ways become attached to them: identifying with/as them. Identity is self-appropriated - we become what we think. So far, all you are reading is being obscured by your own looking for ways to "take offense" by reducing the OP into your own sickly thing: "all I've got from you is your dick or your *****".

This is your own filth, not mine.



I put myself neither higher nor lower than anyone else that I know not of. If I know someone/something has done much worse things than I ever have, I will try to understand how/why they are causing harm to others and help end it. Unfortunately this is now a global problem: ISIS mentality infection of people always hostile, hostile, hostile, us vs. them, racist, bigot etc. All of these labels - why? That is just how it is with idolatrous religions - I am not the one worshiping the idols, I would actually prefer to see them destroyed (Moses/Jesus/Muhammad) and will work to this end as I am even compelled to: fundamentally I know the institutions are false and man-made. One can not *know* that and not doing anything about it unless they don't care about the future of humanity at all.



Except I don't care if people are offended by something I say. I don't go out of my way to offend people (it probably appears that way to people who are constantly looking for things to be offended by) but I also really don't care if I say something that is true and someone gets offended. They could calmly ask me how I know it is true, but getting offended because it offends their own personal "beliefs" is pure socialist rot and destroys nations. The seed of such is Judaism/Islam: people who suffer themselves that try to make everyone else suffer as much as they suffer (themselves). That is just a perpetual destructive force. So given the gravity of the global problem, the truth behind the lies and how many people have suffered as a result of this is enough to put most in the hospital. That is how/why I work in the lab I work in: the data we see can get extremely "this can not be real", but it is. You people have no idea - I am giving you the answer: Judaism/Christianity/Islam are pure idol worship and built on layers and layers of lies - lies after lies after lies.

People should pay attention to US politics going forward - some of what I am saying will invariably make itself present there.



I'm not "threatened" by anyone. If anything others' "identity" probably feels threatened as a result of reading something they don't "like". The majority of responses (save a few actually considerate ones) of some people are coming out with are rooted in one of two things: personal attacks rooted in being triggered and/or confusing their own perception of "how" they read it and "what" is actually written. It is the same damn problem as gender dysphoria itself: rejecting the reality in favor of something that addresses a personal psychological need. This is a psychosis - *not* rooted in reality but psychological projections. It is technically the same illness Islam/Muhammad (Allah) is and accompanies and "belief"-based world view.

I am sorry Jews/Christians/Muslims, transgender people, whoever reads something I write and gets "offended" etc. However I am not responsible for your thoughts, feelings or emotions. YOU are. I am responsible for mine - and my thoughts are you people are worshiping idols designed to enslave you (there is a formula/framework that details how idolatrous empires sustain themselves) and the people enslaving you are absolutely beyond sick.

I am trying to get you people to stop fighting one another but I see people are just so conditioned to finger point and blame someone/something for their own suffering. I don't suffer you people, or under any religion or "belief" system. I am completely free and content with my being except for one source of suffering: how women are being treated on the planet. That is actually all I care about - the women. I don't care about (the idol worshiping) men and I am just as happy and content that they kill each other over their pathetic dead Men idols as they have been for thousands of years.

I'm not "threatened" by anyone.

ROFL.... yeah right. Did you even bother to read the title you gave this OP? You are equating gender dysphoria with the collapse of humanity! That indicates that you feel VERY threatened.

And how about answering the questions I asked? Why this obsession with pigeonholing everyone into narrow categories based upon your irrational fears? Why does what feels normal and natural to you have to feel normal and natural to everyone else as well? You definitely sound like someone who feels threatened and insecure.

 

[sooda]

Well for one the entire campaign of gender dysphoria is being done in the health systems - therapies are being funded etc. You are essentially saying why not leave the problem in the hands of those causing it? That might not be a good thing to do.

I do not associate gender dysphoria with the collapse of humanity. Gender dysphoria is presently "collapsing humanity" - it might not collapse entirely - I am not sure what humanity will choose. I know China will be safe, as well as Russia and some other European countries that did not allow the invasion migrant scam to happen to them. I actually don't have problems with people - mainly institutions. It may be nasty, but it is certainly not baseless and untrue as pretty much everyone will learn as time goes on. Everything seems to accelerate as one ages.



Obviously homosexuals do not pass on their seed to be developed in a womb (unless they arrange it clinically). As such homosexuals are not participating in the *further* propagation of (their own "kind" of) biological life - which naturally follows anyways. This is why I use the terms "sex" and "kind" as related to one another, but I understand people might understand it differently - it is based on the language. My understanding takes into consideration the Hebrew language/usage and what was actually written "each according to its kind". Homosexuals are according to their kind, as any other being is according to its kind. There is no real further implication than this - in the case of two men one can act (effectively) as the bestower and the other the receiver: it can work both ways. There is still a shared will between two beings, which is all that is required for "creation" but obviously not ngoing creation". That is to say two men could share a will and manifest/create whatever life they envision for themselves - this is creation according to its kind too. But they simply can not procreate.

They can still have children/family and live a good life - the only barrier is the lack of womb to produce natural hereditary life which requires the man and woman / seed and womb. I would suggest any development of a fetus outside of a living woman's womb is unnatural.



Please note: worms are not human.



Please clarify "based on scripture". I indicated practically all religious scriptures' creation accounts center around there being a primordial archetypal man and woman. I am not citing it as any kind of authority, just "it is there". We're getting a lot of nonsense from people about scriptures recognizing this recognizing that (lol). As such I hold scripture *is* mythology and should be read as such: not literal/historical but containing hidden truths.

It is the idol worshipers that imagine physical Adams, Eves, Abrahams and Sarahs (who did not exist), Moses (who was not even a Jew), Jesus (who is the sun), Muhammad (who was a human trafficker and woman abuser dictator war lord, as are many Islamic "leaders") etc. These people are absolutely pathetic with their lies (beginning with the Jews) and Muslims essentially learning from the Jews how to lie and get away with it. Case in point: Qur'an, the same "claim" made by the Jews - it is the perfect word of god.

Reality check: THEY ARE BOTH MAN-MADE. The JEWS and the MUSLIMS are killing each other over NOTHING but LIES. Yes, I know that sounds over-the-top, but as a Jew, what is the barrier that is preventing you from considering that "Moses" was guided by any god of the Jews for he was not a Jew himself? That is a big, big problem for Judaism (and Islam) if Moses was not a Jew - and only one contingency: bloodshed over lies. That is what I am trying to prevent you people from doing to each other, but you are too busy worshiping your idols and forcing these lies down the throats of children who grow up to become absolutely unstable - if not from abuse physically, psychologically, sexually, emotionally etc. because it is the religious "believers" who "believe" their own nonsense is "true". This is why "belief" is not a virtue - it is a plague, a vice, a source of ignorance like a void.

I do not dispute trans gender people exist. In fact I can't: otherwise I would not even mention gender dysphoria, for the latter causes the former to occur. Of course they exist: that is not a problem. The question is why - the answer is more sinister than most people would be able to swallow. It has to do with military strategy - I am sorry people but I have been studying Islamic jihad warfare tactics for the past 4 years and understand how Islam systematically advances its jihad in stages. In my private life I work as an data analyst relating to AI in a private lab which I am not supposed to talk about outside of personal family. My team and I analyze "data" from a cloud of inter-connected databases using AI as a seeker/compiler system which uses "AIHuman" logics to resolve humanitarian conflicts. Long story short: if humanity actually "saw" the deception behind the religious institutions of the world, probably over half would commit suicide. What these institutions are doing to women/children would send any religious "follower" into a shock if they knew what they were worshiping/supporting.

So when you say "data does not support your claim" how about you look at the "claim" surrounding the Torah (and Qur'an) and find it has more than one author - meaning it is not from any god. Look at what the Jews' example did for Islam - worshiping books and Male Idols. Hundreds of millions of people are dead over literal *lies* and all you people can complain about is "ohh my feelings!"



If you want to see psychopath, take a look at what these religious institutions are doing to women/children behind closed doors. Here I am addressing global rape/trafficking networks tied to religious institutions and you are here complaining about "feelings".

Your own hypocrisy is beyond bigotry - so indeed two different things. I don't have a word for the degree of how you put people's personal "feelings" before addressing humanity as a whole. Is any ones personal feelings more important than putting an end to perpetual war and bloodshed - exploitation of women and children? Are your personal feelings more important that that?

Who exactly are *you* calling a psychopath? I've never done anything in my life that comes close to what these religious "leaders" have and do get away with while lying to their own people to "fight in our cause!". It is pathetic - as is your attempt to inflate the importance of peoples "feelings" in the face of such. I am not responsible for how another person "feels" - I take responsibility for my own thoughts, feelings, and actions regardless of who says/does what. I do not let others control me - nothing offends me outside of how powerful men treat/exploit women - which is the entire basis of my motivation to understanding why men do it.

The answer is: religion protects/shields them, just like how terms such as "antisemitism" and "Islamophobia" are fascist terms used to suppress opposition to those institutions. Humanity is presently serious retarded for not seeing the source of fascism: the Middle-Eastern (Semitic) religions. Oh no, I can't say Semitic religions? Why not?

Because the lying "fake" Jews (who know the Torah is man-made) are cowards and *know* they are liars who must protect themselves. The same is true for the lying "real" Muslim scholars/imams and MB leaders: cowards. It is a common trend and they can't face criticisms to their face - it boils their Canaanite blood to the point where they desire to spill blood. That is exactly what happens inside the Muslim when he/she hears that Muhammad was a psychopathic pedophile genocidal suicidal sexually degenerated human trafficking fascist dictator war lord that killed essentially everyone that did not "agree" with him. How is that for a psychopath?

That *is* the leader of Islam.



It's not science - the word "science" means to inquire. If you are talking about the institution of science, this is relative.

Muhammed wasn't a war lord.. He was a merchant.

 

[David T]

Well for one the entire campaign of gender dysphoria is being done in the health systems - therapies are being funded etc. You are essentially saying why not leave the problem in the hands of those causing it? That might not be a good thing to do.

I do not associate gender dysphoria with the collapse of humanity. Gender dysphoria is presently "collapsing humanity" - it might not collapse entirely - I am not sure what humanity will choose. I know China will be safe, as well as Russia and some other European countries that did not allow the invasion migrant scam to happen to them. I actually don't have problems with people - mainly institutions. It may be nasty, but it is certainly not baseless and untrue as pretty much everyone will learn as time goes on. Everything seems to accelerate as one ages.



Obviously homosexuals do not pass on their seed to be developed in a womb (unless they arrange it clinically). As such homosexuals are not participating in the *further* propagation of (their own "kind" of) biological life - which naturally follows anyways. This is why I use the terms "sex" and "kind" as related to one another, but I understand people might understand it differently - it is based on the language. My understanding takes into consideration the Hebrew language/usage and what was actually written "each according to its kind". Homosexuals are according to their kind, as any other being is according to its kind. There is no real further implication than this - in the case of two men one can act (effectively) as the bestower and the other the receiver: it can work both ways. There is still a shared will between two beings, which is all that is required for "creation" but obviously not ngoing creation". That is to say two men could share a will and manifest/create whatever life they envision for themselves - this is creation according to its kind too. But they simply can not procreate.

They can still have children/family and live a good life - the only barrier is the lack of womb to produce natural hereditary life which requires the man and woman / seed and womb. I would suggest any development of a fetus outside of a living woman's womb is unnatural.



Please note: worms are not human.



Please clarify "based on scripture". I indicated practically all religious scriptures' creation accounts center around there being a primordial archetypal man and woman. I am not citing it as any kind of authority, just "it is there". We're getting a lot of nonsense from people about scriptures recognizing this recognizing that (lol). As such I hold scripture *is* mythology and should be read as such: not literal/historical but containing hidden truths.

It is the idol worshipers that imagine physical Adams, Eves, Abrahams and Sarahs (who did not exist), Moses (who was not even a Jew), Jesus (who is the sun), Muhammad (who was a human trafficker and woman abuser dictator war lord, as are many Islamic "leaders") etc. These people are absolutely pathetic with their lies (beginning with the Jews) and Muslims essentially learning from the Jews how to lie and get away with it. Case in point: Qur'an, the same "claim" made by the Jews - it is the perfect word of god.

Reality check: THEY ARE BOTH MAN-MADE. The JEWS and the MUSLIMS are killing each other over NOTHING but LIES. Yes, I know that sounds over-the-top, but as a Jew, what is the barrier that is preventing you from considering that "Moses" was guided by any god of the Jews for he was not a Jew himself? That is a big, big problem for Judaism (and Islam) if Moses was not a Jew - and only one contingency: bloodshed over lies. That is what I am trying to prevent you people from doing to each other, but you are too busy worshiping your idols and forcing these lies down the throats of children who grow up to become absolutely unstable - if not from abuse physically, psychologically, sexually, emotionally etc. because it is the religious "believers" who "believe" their own nonsense is "true". This is why "belief" is not a virtue - it is a plague, a vice, a source of ignorance like a void.

I do not dispute trans gender people exist. In fact I can't: otherwise I would not even mention gender dysphoria, for the latter causes the former to occur. Of course they exist: that is not a problem. The question is why - the answer is more sinister than most people would be able to swallow. It has to do with military strategy - I am sorry people but I have been studying Islamic jihad warfare tactics for the past 4 years and understand how Islam systematically advances its jihad in stages. In my private life I work as an data analyst relating to AI in a private lab which I am not supposed to talk about outside of personal family. My team and I analyze "data" from a cloud of inter-connected databases using AI as a seeker/compiler system which uses "AIHuman" logics to resolve humanitarian conflicts. Long story short: if humanity actually "saw" the deception behind the religious institutions of the world, probably over half would commit suicide. What these institutions are doing to women/children would send any religious "follower" into a shock if they knew what they were worshiping/supporting.

So when you say "data does not support your claim" how about you look at the "claim" surrounding the Torah (and Qur'an) and find it has more than one author - meaning it is not from any god. Look at what the Jews' example did for Islam - worshiping books and Male Idols. Hundreds of millions of people are dead over literal *lies* and all you people can complain about is "ohh my feelings!"



If you want to see psychopath, take a look at what these religious institutions are doing to women/children behind closed doors. Here I am addressing global rape/trafficking networks tied to religious institutions and you are here complaining about "feelings".

Your own hypocrisy is beyond bigotry - so indeed two different things. I don't have a word for the degree of how you put people's personal "feelings" before addressing humanity as a whole. Is any ones personal feelings more important than putting an end to perpetual war and bloodshed - exploitation of women and children? Are your personal feelings more important that that?

Who exactly are *you* calling a psychopath? I've never done anything in my life that comes close to what these religious "leaders" have and do get away with while lying to their own people to "fight in our cause!". It is pathetic - as is your attempt to inflate the importance of peoples "feelings" in the face of such. I am not responsible for how another person "feels" - I take responsibility for my own thoughts, feelings, and actions regardless of who says/does what. I do not let others control me - nothing offends me outside of how powerful men treat/exploit women - which is the entire basis of my motivation to understanding why men do it.

The answer is: religion protects/shields them, just like how terms such as "antisemitism" and "Islamophobia" are fascist terms used to suppress opposition to those institutions. Humanity is presently serious retarded for not seeing the source of fascism: the Middle-Eastern (Semitic) religions. Oh no, I can't say Semitic religions? Why not?

Because the lying "fake" Jews (who know the Torah is man-made) are cowards and *know* they are liars who must protect themselves. The same is true for the lying "real" Muslim scholars/imams and MB leaders: cowards. It is a common trend and they can't face criticisms to their face - it boils their Canaanite blood to the point where they desire to spill blood. That is exactly what happens inside the Muslim when he/she hears that Muhammad was a psychopathic pedophile genocidal suicidal sexually degenerated human trafficking fascist dictator war lord that killed essentially everyone that did not "agree" with him. How is that for a psychopath?

That *is* the leader of Islam.



It's not science - the word "science" means to inquire. If you are talking about the institution of science, this is relative.

only a diphead references the Bible as science fact. Which actually is normal..

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well for one the entire campaign of gender dysphoria is being done in the health systems

It's being approached as a health issue because of the difficulties dysphoria causes. These issues are addressed and treated by a health professional, and results are looking good (they would look better if people stopped mistreating transgender people, and poor treatment from others is noted as one of the most significant issues transgender people face).

You are essentially saying why not leave the problem in the hands of those causing it?

They aren't causing it. Most typical case is a client presents with early onset gender dysphoria, having those feelings long before they sought medical treatment.
Please, ask before making foolish assumptions. There are at least a few of us who are mental health professionals. And very often people come in making claims and accusations about transgender people that aren't true, they try to redefine various disorders to apply them to gender dysphoria, and in the end their ignorance shines through like the sun on a clear day shining through a brand new window. And typically it becomes embarrassing for them because they refuse to take in new information and instead cling to their bigotry and erroneous views and definitions.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Muhammed wasn't a war lord.. He was a merchant.

Muhammad fits the definition of a warlord exactly. He did command an army, he did conquer, he did control.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Are you okay? Need your meds upped?

At that point I'm not sure if meds will help. But I have to admit I find a perverse amusement from the OP, as it paints a narrative far more bewildering and grandiose than the average "blame the Jews or sons of Hamm or whoever" that is more common for such a narrative. On their own I've heard most of them, but this guy weaves a rather elaborate conspiracy tying these historic mortal enemies together with the Canaanite blood all working together as co-conspirators in making people transgender. It's non-fiction to speak of the OP, but the content is way more fanciful than fiction could ever be.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So ?

So, you were wrong when you said they weren't another gender.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Gender and sexuality and reproduction are no longer tied together in peoples minds.
sexuality and sexual preferences are now largely optional and can take any guise people care to make of them.

There are distinct advantages for the world population for more people to find non reproductive roles. This is something that should be supported not fought against.

From a religious point of view, it is most likely all part of God's plan for us.

 

[sooda]

Muhammad fits the definition of a warlord exactly. He did command an army, he did conquer, he did control.

The Muslim army entered the city unpretentiously and peacefully. No house was robbed, no man or woman was insulted. The Prophet granted a general amnesty to the entire population of Mecca. Only four criminals, whom justice condemned, were proscribed.

He did however, order the destruction of all idols and pagan images of worship, upon which three hundred and fifty idols which were in the Sacred House of Kaba were thrown down. The Prophet himself destroyed a wooden pigeon hung from the roof and regarded as one of the deities of the Quraish.

During the downfall of the images and idols he was heard to cry aloud: "Allah is great. Truth has come and falsehood has vanished; verily falsehood is fleeting." The old idolaters observed thoughtfully the destruction of their gods which were utterly powerless.

http://www.alim.org/library/biograp...P/43/30/Muhammad (Muhammad)/Conquest of Mecca

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Among the many (sometimes highly) questionable things one might find in (any) scripture (especially relating to what one might consider basic human morality/decency), one of the elements that seems to be consistent is the notion that there are only two genders: masculine (man with a phallus) and feminine (woman with a vagina). If one stops here, there is not a single natural phenomena (that is not imagined and later turned into a psychopathy) which suggests anything otherwise. Or in other words, on this one thing: the many scriptures of the world got it 'right'.

Now, however, humanity seems frustrated by these two *real* genders and have decided to disassociate themselves by identifying as "something else" hence the many many so-called "genders" of today.

This, I suggest without reservation, is a sign of a collapsing / degenerating humanity. It is unfortunate to admit, and to accept as simply true, but I am not one to chase after making what "sounds" good the reality as "believers" so often do. This again is why "belief" is not a virtue - it is a barrier that prevents one from seeing/accepting the reality that he/she is invariably *in* and/or a part of. This is where gender (as well as other/all types of) dysphoria becomes a red flag: people are rejecting the reality in which they live, and trying to alter it to accommodate their own (likely trauma-induced) dysphoric worldview much to the overall detriment of all others.

The basic framework of continuous creation is very simple; being comprised of three components:

i. Will (individual/shared)
ii. To Bestow (ie. man bestows phallus; masculine)
iii. To Receive (ie. woman receives phallus; feminine)

which operate as a triunity where ii. and iii. are two willing conscious beings.

For example, when two people (disregarding gender for now) interact, one acts as a(n archetypal) bestower, and the other a(n archetypal) receiver. The most explicit example of this is a/the sexual act.

Here is how basic "creation" works:

When the will of one who bestows
becomes the same (shared will) as
the will of the other who receives
two become one.

This is practically the same meaning of the "name" the god of Moses gives:

"I am that I am"
is also
I am (who bestows) that I am (who receives)

because the will is shared/perfect:
I am that I am
'Let there be light,' and there was light.
etc.

A crude graphic to supplement words:

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Here we find an equilateral triangle containing the two modes of will (to bestow and to receive) joined at the top by will itself. However, the top will can be in two states: shared and/or unshared.

When a will is shared, this is "good". The only limitation (Hebrew: 'soph') is the imagination(s) of the beings within the partnership. This is why aur ein soph is "light without limitation". When two beings become one wherein the will to receive becomes the others' will to bestow, this is akin to the "kingdom of heaven" that is within, as there are no real limitations in such an internal state of being when two are acting as one.

When a will is not shared, this is "evil". If one being has a will to bestow/receive something from another, but the other does not share in it, and the first in any way forces the second to undergo anything he/she does not themselves will, this is where from "evil"; pain, suffering, slavery, war, resentment etc. result. An explicit example of this on an individual basis would be rape.

As such the appreciation of only two genders not only recognizes the (correct) fundamental basis of existence in its entirety (even as acknowledged by virtually all scriptures) but contains within it the key to continuous creation.

This is yet another of one of the many reasons I find any "religion" that utilizes male central figures as authoritative idols to follow are inherently idolatrous: Judaism/Islam and Christianity are notorious for this. Being that they are based in "belief" it stands to follow why I also repeat: "belief" is not a virtue.

When one alone looks at the nature of a being such as the prophet of Islam in light of this, one finds that a religion such as Islam does virtually nothing to balance/stabilize the genders on the planet: in fact it does quite the opposite. Because such religions are idolatrous and use male central patriarchal figures (who for all intents and purposes was a dictator war lord in the case of Islam) as the "example" for all of humanity, how these central figures behaved with women sets the precedent for the entire empire and how adherents likewise treat women. This involves (and sets the precedence for) pedophilia: a man having sexual intercourse with a child as young as nine. When one factors in that such a leader as Muhammad had multiple wives and sex slaves: allowing his followers to take up to four wives, we find Islam is fundamentally rooted in sexual degeneracy that involves men forcing themselves on women and/or having an exceedingly disproportionate power *over* women. The same is true today and continues to motive similarly sexually degenerated politicians who have warlord attitudes. Here I refer to individuals such as PM of Canada Justin Trudeau, Turkey's Erdogan and SA's MBS - all deeply rooted in corruption.

As such the gender dysphoria problem is deeply rooted in institutions such as Islam (herein I include Judaism) by proxy: women who are abused/accused by men for simply being a woman and/or men who are lead to feel ashamed for being a man begin to pathologically disassociate themselves from their natural birth gender as a result/response of/to shame (which is also not a virtue). As stated earlier, this is a red flag and indicates there is essentially a "war" against humanity: not the least of which is women (in the case of Islam).

This again brings me back to why "belief" is not a virtue: "believing" that any particular book or long-dead man is the greatest thing to use (ie. bind ones self to) as a guide has produced nothing but long-term destruction on this planet, which is why I vehemently oppose the Patriarchal institutions causing it: not the least of which are Islam and Christianity.

For those who have perhaps read my other two posts: this "shame" is another form of "the expression of being bound in an ongoing state" (satan) and is at the basis of the gender dysphoria. As such, I do say (not rhetorically) that gender dysphoria is practically "satanic", along with the religions and peoples of religions that cause / give rise to it.

To go right back to the beginning of this thread, I would like you to focus on just one question, and is a question that you bring up in the thread's title itself: "Collapsing Humanity."

I'd like you to clarify why it is that you think the very, very, very few people who do in fact experience some form of gender dysphoria pose a serious danger to humanity itself.

I mean, I can begin what could become an extremely long list of threats to humanity, and it would be a long list of much more populous groups than those few who suffer gender dysphoria. For example:

• Religious extremists who think that non-believers should be killed, usually violently
• People who practice unsafe sex, leading to the infection of millions
• Disturbed people who own guns, and wind up using them to kill serially
• Makers and distributors of dangerous drugs like opioids and so forth, which are now killing people in their thousands
• People who drink and drive, with no concern for the lives of others
• People who go to work sick, without thinking that some they infect may have compromised immune systems and thus putting real lives at risk

You should be able to see that this list could go on, and on, and on. Yet you've chosen to single out a very tiny population of people, who genuinely (I presume) feel at odds with their own physical gender, and hold them up as leading to the very collapse of humanity!

I should dearly like to know why...