Gender Dysphoria: Collapsing Humanity

[sooda]

Read the Treaty of Tripoli and it's background. The most famous were a Muslim majority

By and large the Atlantic pirates of the 17th and 18th century were Christian.


European concept not Muslim. You are still missing the point. The Barbary states used religion to establish it's right to take slaves at will. Something about history you were babbling about.

 

[sooda]

Barbary Pirates also known as Barbary Corsairs were involved in the captivity of European slaves and attacks on European coastal villages. However, just like African slave traders, the most prominent Barbary pirates were indeed European renegades, historian Adrian Tinniswood states. Most of them brought naval expertise to the piracy business. Among these were Henry Mainwaring, Captain Jack Ward, Sinan Reis, and Dragut. There were also a lot of Barbary natives, and Turkish descents who lorded the piracy and slavery business and these included The Barbarossa brothers, Mulai Ahmed er Raisuli, Salih Reis and so on.

These pirates caused terror in the seas, capturing sailors and seamen and selling them off into slavery.

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When Europeans were slaves to Africans

 

[David T]

By natural I mean any process in creation not *requiring* intervention and/or assistance - it just manages itself, as in the case of conception and developing a fetus in the womb of a woman. Unnatural would be artificial insemination / growing a fetus outside a womb. That is not to say anything that is "unnatural" is necessarily bad or wrong, it is just not "natural".



I don't take medications - I never have.



I'm not threatened by anything - I'm more worried about others, particularly women.



He sold people as (sex) slaves. Islam is still doing it after 1400 years.

I know you worship Muhammad/Islam/Qur'an thinking it it came from god and Muhammad was the greatest thing since sliced bread. He was/is actually an infidel war lord.



Nobody here stated the Bible as fact.



Right; first I am not associating gender dysphoria as *the* cause of a collapsing humanity. It is an indicator - a symptom that points back to a much greater problem that is not outside the scope of the points you mentioned.

I had made this point already earlier: if women are abused and/or men are shamed (ie. any gender is shamed) the dysphoria begins; people become insecure and disassociate with their gender. This is a symptom - indeed gender dysphoria itself is a symptom of a greater problem. The problem lies in gender shaming, which is most prevalent in Islam. Women are treated/regarded as second class citizens and are essentially enslaved to Men - just as was the case with Muhammad and his wives/concubines. This has never changed. As Islam continues to degenerate the West it will only escalate.

I am not singling out anyone - I don't care when such people look for ways to be offended and attack others for it. This humanity is degenerating for many reasons - not the least of which is people have elevated their personal feelings to the most important thing in the world, which again, essentially comes from the supremacy of Judaism/Islam. This constant sense of victim hood - it is like an illness. There always needs to be someone to blame - never something to address. We can not talk to/with Muslims (or Jews) about how their books are actually man-made because they get "offended". We can not discuss the character of Muhammad because Muslims worship him and spill blood over criticisms of him. They treat themselves as superior - no doubt inspired by the prophet who committed genocide against entire races who rejected him.

This is all funny to me because it is perfectly consistent:
-Muslims feel like victims and attack whoever criticizes Islam
-"Minorities" feel like victims and attack whoever criticizes whatever they are a "minority" to/of

It is the same pathetic "me, me, me" mentality - their personal feelings are the most important thing in the world. This is why I don't let "feelings" govern how/what I research or meditate on - allowing feelings to persuade judgment is the same thing as "sin" and/or the "sons of god" intercession with "daughters of man". It is also the same as Abraham having to leave the land of Ur - it is all the same symbol, and they are in the Bible for the Jews/Christians/Muslims who "believe" it is from god.

So I am more than happy to discuss anything/everything - but when emotions get injected by people who feel "offended" I really will not show too much regard, especially if the person suffers themselves. If not for having to constantly read how Muhammadan human trafficking networks are being disassembled and women/children being trafficked, all the while Muslims worship the man that started it all, I wouldn't be doing what I do. As I said I *really* don't care about others' personal feelings when it comes to these topics. If they don't like that they literally can go buy a pack of gum or something.

Sorry the intro to the thread is balogna fantasy factoid treatment of the Bible. I have zero clue why you can't read although that is normal. A

 

[Shad]

Barbary Pirates also known as Barbary Corsairs were involved in the captivity of European slaves and attacks on European coastal villages. However, just like African slave traders, the most prominent Barbary pirates were indeed European renegades, historian Adrian Tinniswood states.

That is why the most infamous are Muslim right?

Henry Mainwaring

Sold his slaves to Muslims.

Captain Jack Ward

Converted to Islam.

Sinan Reis,

Under the flag of the Ottomans

and Dragut.

Ottoman naval commander and Muslim

There were also a lot of Barbary natives, and Turkish descents who lorded the piracy and slavery business and these included The Barbarossa brothers, Mulai Ahmed er Raisuli, Salih Reis and so on.

Yes. Based on their religious views.

Still missing the point. Read the background regarding the Treaty of Tripoli. Read the reasons why the Barbary states accepted and took slaves.

 

[9-18-1]

Sorry the intro to the thread is balogna fantasy factoid treatment of the Bible. I have zero clue why you can't read although that is normal. A

This is projection - it is how your mind saw it.

I read the creation account in its original Hebrew. It's actually the English readers that "can't read" because they actually can't read Genesis properly without the original Hebrew. They read an English transcription, which is nowhere near what is actually written in Hebrew. I am perfectly happy to meet any "reading" challenges regarding the creation account ie. what is actually written vs. what the canonized "English" version says. A lot of gnostics have their own translations because they see how poorly the 'canonized' ones are rendered. I did the same - and people like Newton did the same. The English renditions are really pathetic and people don't have a clue what is actually written as per the original Hebrew.

So by all means - what in the OP does not conform to the book of Genesis? Can you be specific?

 

[sooda]

That is why the most infamous are Muslim right?



Sold his slaves to Muslims.



Converted to Islam.

Under the flag of the Ottomans

Ottoman naval commander and Muslim

Yes. Based on their religious views.

Still missing the point. Read the background regarding the Treaty of Tripoli. Read the reasons why the Barbary states accepted and took slaves.

LOLOL This wasn't about Islam.. They weren't Muslims, they were gangsters, like MAFIA.

Everyone, including the Jewish pirates of the Caribbean wanted to get even with Catholic Spain for expelling them. This piracy became the last resort for the corsairs and privateers for about 300 years.

How are they different from the Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, French and English slavers?

 

[QuestioningMind]

I am so offended!



Lol no - I am not predicting anything. I didn't say "I predict..." anywhere did I? Collapsing humanity does not mean predicting it will collapse. Can a structure not slowly lose integrity over time without completely becoming destroyed? Yes - so no, I am not "predicting" anything - the state of humanity is collapsing ie. in a state of 'decay' rather than 'growth'. I am not threatened by actually anything - I understand death, accept it, and am not afraid of anything. Except snowflakes - they are volatile.

Of course the question is how one means - I actually don't intend to offend people, but at the same time I do not pay particular regard for being "respectful" towards certain worldviews because, quite frankly, some are simply... That doesn't mean be mean about it - I know - but I find the biggest problem is people are conditioned to be overly "politically correct" and/or regarding of others' feelings. This, in combination with, well, what you apparently see/describe, might appear to be a bad combination that yields a lot of upset people.

But I don't mind if people are upset - I'd rather them upset and thinking for themselves and not just "believing" whatever they were told, like god writes books or picks prophets. I'm sorry I do not "play long" nicely with such "believers" because belief itself is not a virtue, especially given the Torah/Qur'an are absolutely man-made thus responsible for thousands of years of human slavery/destruction.

Perhaps you might understand my nature better if you did see what I see with the same resolve (certainty) that the M/E conflict has become global and it *is* rooted in Judaism/Islam - the root of fascism, socialism, and essentially human slavery.



Thank you for sharing - it is revealing of there being a latent and lingering imposed sort of "you ought to behave like..." rooted in the social fabric as established by norms. I understand how/why this is the case, and do feel people are better to question such social inheritances and, at the very least, try to understand the phenomena better. Unfortunately from my view I see this whole epidemic as (if not orchestrated) perpetuated by interest groups who have "special" interests.

I feel this related to why so many thus far took exception to the OP (which is fine with me - I think it is good people are at least discussing it) reading it as pushing some hetero-centric anti-trans piece. I actually don't take any issue whatsoever with people who naturally follow what they feel is 'right' - I would do the same.

The only *real* point of the OP is to clarify the most fundamental framework upon which creation is sustained: relationships involving a will to bestow and a will to receive. It is just that people are exclusively associating the bestowal to the man and reception to the woman. Yes - men have a phallus, women have a vagina, and they are designed for one another. The sexual act itself is this principle shared between two beings - the gender/sex actually does not matter.

In fact, once again, I would actually defend the right of anyone to their sex - especially what they do in the bedroom - as a basic fundamental human right that must not be infrigned upon or persecuted: I use the example of homosexuality/lesbianism. This is why I feel school, church, government and, and ANNDDD *RELIGION* needs to leave people alone and respect their individual sovereignty over their sexuality. If two or more beings all share a will that manifests their desire (granted it is not a wicked act), there is nothing more beautiful than this.

Of all the things that could occupy ones time - why would one even be remotely interested about what others do in the bedroom with who? Like, who cares? God? Lol... this is one of the many points I add to the mountain of how/why religion is absolutely destructive (especially when it comes to sex) and wholly based in people caring too much about the who/what/where/why/when/how of *other* people's sexuality. Why do Muslims throw gay people off of rooftops? Like, why not just leave them alone? After all, more gay men means more women???

If I were a Muslim man I'd happily tell all men to go f*** themselves (practically) with great sincerity and glad tidings. It would get one much closer to the 72 virgins fantasy it seems to me.

...the state of humanity is collapsing ie. in a state of 'decay' rather than 'growth'.

He predicts... while claiming he's made no predictions.

And you're not threatened by a building that is in the process of collapsing... you're only threatened after it actually does collapses. Rather strained logic, to say the least.

Now with regards to your last point, which is interesting because what you are describing is not something I am consciously intending to do.

Gosh... and it happened AGAIN! SOMEHOW you managed to explain that you don't consciously intend to ignore my questions... and then FORGOT to answer them once more. So apparently you're not CONSCIOUSLY threatened by the questions, but CLEARLY your subconscious is desperate to avoid them.

 

[Shad]

LOLOL This wasn't about Islam.. They weren't Muslims, they were gangsters, like MAFIA.

Fallacious point.

Everyone, including the Jewish pirates of the Caribbean wanted to get even with Catholic Spain for expelling them.

Except for those that are from the Ottoman Empire or those that never lived during that time.

This piracy became the last resort for the corsairs and privateers for about 300 years.

No it didn't.

How are they different from the Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, French and English slavers?

Not much. Just pointing out the history which you babble about.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They were called Barbary Pirates because their home ports were along the coast of North Africa. Many weren't Muslims but renegade Europeans..

When the US signed the Treaty of Tripoli, it actually took a few attempts until they explicitly stated both that the US is not founded upon Christian principles and because of that it poses no inherent threat to Muslims. It didn't come to that because they were having problems with renegade Europeans believing a Christian nation is going to be problematic for their Muslim nation (who was also claiming religious grounds to capture ships, claim goods, and take slaves - as is their religious right against those they are at war with).

 

[sooda]

Fallacious point.


Except for those that are from the Ottoman Empire or those that never lived during that time.

No it didn't.

Not much. Just pointing out the history which you babble about.

Jefferson was pretty smart. He had a Koran and he studied government by consensus in the form of the Majlis. .. The people being represented by the wise elders of the tribe.

The Barbary pirate activities lasted 300 years and began in 1500.

 

[columbus]

It shows. *clicks ignore*

Why do you feel the need to announce this.

You aren't important enough for most of us to care about who you have on <ignore>.
Why would you be?
Tom

 

[sooda]

The Barbary pirates were a band of Moorish brigands that were protected and encouraged by the coastal cities of Northern Africa, including Algiers, Tunis, Djerba and Tripoli.

Piracy in the Mediterranean had existed since time immortal, but the first real wave of Barbary piracy came at the time that the Moors were driven from Spain in 1492, and Spanish vessels and coastal cities were their first targets.

As they became more powerful and brought the Moslem governors of North Africa under their control, they became a greater threat to all of Europe. Not only did they plunder the cargo of merchant ships, but they took all of the Christian passengers hostage, and either ransomed them, or sold them as slaves.

The real scandal regarding the Barbary pirates was not the corsairs themselves, but rather the toleration and support they received from the great naval powers of Europe, during the 17th and 18th centuries when the military capabilities of Western Europe far outstripped that of the Ottomans. Instead of launching a naval crusade against the Barbary nations, they paid them tribute so the pirates would prey on the ships of smaller and weaker nations rather than those of the great powers. Even the American government, in its very early years paid tribute to the pirate kings, but eventually sent a squadron to defeat them. Soon after America took the lead, France and Britain joined in, and by the 1830, the pirate coast became a colony of France.

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The Barbary pirates first arose after the Spanish drove the Moors out of Granada in 1492. They did not become an organized body under the protection of the North African port cities until a few years later, under the leadership of Barbarossa, a pirate chieftain who became an Ottoman Admiral. After leading several daring raids in the Mediterranean and essentially taking over the cities of Djerba and Algiers, he was appointed commander and chief of the Ottoman Navy. In this position he fought the united fleets of the Christians at ..

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[Shad]

Jefferson was pretty smart. He had a Koran and he studied government by consensus in the form of the Majlis. .. The people being represented by the wise elders of the tribe.

Read what John Adams wrote about it.

The Barbary pirate activities lasted 300 years and began in 1500.

Yes. So?

 

[Shad]

The Barbary pirates were a band of Moorish brigands that were protected and encouraged by the coastal cities of Northern Africa, including Algiers, Tunis, Djerba and Tripoli.

Who do you think the Moors were....

 

[sooda]

Read what John Adams wrote about it.

Yes. So?

Have you read Jefferson's letters?

I can't find any information that John Adams studied Islam.

 

[sooda]

Who do you think the Moors were....

The term "Moors" refers primarily to the Muslim inhabitants of the Maghreb, the Iberian Peninsula, Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica, and Malta during the Middle Ages. The Moors initially were the indigenous Maghrebine Berbers. The name was later also applied to Arabs.

 

[Shad]

The term "Moors" refers primarily to the Muslim inhabitants of the Maghreb, the Iberian Peninsula, Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica, and Malta during the Middle Ages. The Moors initially were the indigenous Maghrebine Berbers. The name was later also applied to Arabs.

Still missing the keyword I have talked about?

Have you read Jefferson's letters?

Nope as the most of what you claim is not true.

I can't find any information that John Adams studied Islam.

No he just was POTUS dealing with Muslims that justified slavery and raiding based on their religion. Jefferson ignore the Barbary states own religious justification so his views on Islam have little merit when practical experience shows the opposite of what he thought.

 

[sooda]

Still missing the keyword I have talked about?



Nope



No he just was POTUS dealing with Muslims that justified slavery and raiding based on their religion. He was also POTUS that started a war to show them the error of their ways. Jefferson paid those same states tribute. I will take Adams over a weak Jefferson that when push came to shove did nothing regardless of his "studies" of religious propaganda vs practical experience

I wouldn't be so self righteous. We bought slaves from African chieftains with booze, tools, textiles and pots and pans.


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[Shad]

I wouldn't be so self righteous. We bought slaves from African chieftains with booze, tools, textiles and pots and pans.

How is saying "they are not much different" being self-righteous? That is an acknowledge of the fact.

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Slavery was a global industry.

 

[Liu]

Unfortunately from my view I see this whole epidemic as (if not orchestrated) perpetuated by interest groups who have "special" interests.

Yes, but why? I don't see any way in which my gender disporia could have been intentionally caused by political powers or the like.

Also, what epidemic? Trans-people are very rare - the highest statistical number for a western country I heard of would be 0.4% of the population, and I suspect it's even much lower.