Gay Christian

[Brickjectivity]

To be one is very easy these Last Days.

Christians, today, do a lot of sinful things: accumulate wealth, overeat, deny the poor, all kinds of things and also tend to point fingers at other people. Its not like Christians intend to be hypocritical, but its so easy to overlook our own faults and focus on those of others. For that reason homosexuals have recently been accused on television of causing natural disasters, but the Christians have so many conceits and faults that its ridiculous.

You see in order to be a good Christian requires constant effort. You can't just have kids and go to work and be like everybody else and save up for retirement. To live this way is to live in sin far worse. Its neither hot nor cold. Its unacceptable, so when I hear all of these complains specifically about homosexuals I'm not impressed.

 

[Mitty]

Jesus went off OT. OT and NT says homosexuality (a behavior) is a sin..

Wrong!!! The bible says nothing at all about female homosexuality or the behaviour of female homosexuals.

And Jesus said nothing about homosexuality or the behaviour of homosexuals either, nor why he loved a particular disciple instead of a wife.

But Jesus condemned ALL remarried divorcees to hell unless they remain celibate and repent their adulterous marriages (Matt 5:27-30 Mark 10:11-12 Leviticus 20:10 Exodus 20).

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Wrong!!! The bible says nothing at all about female homosexuality or the behaviour of female homosexuals.

And Jesus said nothing about homosexuality or the behaviour of homosexuals either, nor why he loved a particular disciple instead of a wife.

But Jesus condemned ALL remarried divorcees to hell unless they remain celibate and repent their adulterous marriages (Matt 5:27-30 Mark 10:11-12 Leviticus 20:10 Exodus 20).

The gospels say same sex behavior is a sin. It is what it is. Behaviors can be practices by both males and females. Same sex behavior is sexual promisquity in the Bible therefore it is a sin.

I didn't write it or believe in it. It says what it says. It's irrelevant to those who don't follow it. Did Jesus talk about homosexuality in the New Testament?

It applies to all people both men and women.

This is same sex behavior not homosexuality

 

[Mitty]

The gospels say same sex behavior is a sin. It is what it is. Behaviors can be practices by both males and females. Same sex behavior is sexual promisquity in the Bible therefore it is a sin.

I didn't write it or believe in it. It says what it says. It's irrelevant to those who don't follow it. Did Jesus talk about homosexuality in the New Testament?

It applies to all people both men and women.

This is same sex behavior not homosexuality

Doesn't change the fact that the bible says nothing at all about female homosexuality, and that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality either and why he loved a particular disciple and not a wife.

 

[columbus]

The gospels say same sex behavior is a sin.

No they don't.

You are mistaking Paul(who never even met Jesus) for Jesus. Paul's Epistles say that(sort of) but not the gospels.
Tom

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Doesn't change the fact that the bible says nothing at all about female homosexuality, and that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality either and why he loved a particular disciple and not a wife.

The Bible condemns same sex acts by males, females, every person who follows the Bible are subject to its laws.

What is female homosexuality anyhow?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

No they don't.

You are mistaking Paul(who never even met Jesus) for Jesus. Paul's Epistles say that(sort of) but not the gospels.
Tom

I'm pretty simple. Christians view the apostles words as what Christ said. And Christ words what his father said. Same sex behavior is just in the Bible so it's a sin. Whether it makes sense or not or right or wrong depends on the person. We can disagree with it but it is what it is.

 

[columbus]

I didn't write it or believe in it. It says what it says. It's irrelevant to those who don't follow it. Did Jesus talk about homosexuality in the New Testament?

Here's another important point.
Quoting your link:

A.

There are several New Testament passages that speak to the immorality of homosexual acts. Among the most explicit is Romans 1:26-28, where Paul says:

“God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.

Paul described homosexuality as a punishment. God makes people gay because of something they did.

I don't know what a nerdy Catholic kid like me did that caused God to make me gay.

But apparently something.
Tom

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Here's another important point.
Quoting your link:


Paul described homosexuality as a punishment. God makes people gay because of something they did.

I don't know what a nerdy Catholic kid like me did that caused God to make me gay.

But apparently something.
Tom

I don't see the correlation. The Bible says nothing about gay people. It just talks about same sex behavior. Since gay people are not defined by sex, I just see both sides using the same words outside their context.

 

[Mitty]

The Bible condemns same sex acts by males, females, every person who follows the Bible are subject to its laws.

What is female homosexuality anyhow?

WRONG!!! The bible says nothing at all about same sex acts by females, given that they do not have anal sex as obviously described in Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 and in Romans 1:26-27 for heterosexual women.

If you believe otherwise, where does Leviticus 18 or 20 say that it is disgusting for women to lie with womankind as with mankind? And where does Romans 1:26-27 says that the men's women were "working that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet" from penetrative sex with other women? And where does the bible say that anal sex is the"natural use of the woman" and/or that female genitalia are "vile" & "unseemly" (Romans 1:26-27)? Or are you just grasping at straws?

 

[Mitty]

I don't see the correlation. The Bible says nothing about gay people. It just talks about same sex behavior. Since gay people are not defined by sex, I just see both sides using the same words outside their context.

So where does the bible say anything about same-sex behaviour of females, or did you just make that up?

 

[PruePhillip]

I am not gay, but I dismiss the "gay bashing" verses

Doing so, I consider myself a better Christian

Remembering: Love All and Judge not

If you don't "judge" then how will you know what is right and wrong?
What happens in a society that can't tell right from wrong? Pretty much
what is happening right now with drug abuse, family breakdown, violence,
gambling, abortion, pornography etc..
We aren't to "judge" people's relationship with God. But we MUST JUDGE
behavior.

 

[PruePhillip]

A gay person may be struggling with their homosexuality not because of religion but other factors. I'm not gay but I do disregard the statements in the Bible regarding homosexuality but I didn't dismiss religion completely and I think it has benefited me in some ways.

So you are cherry picking.

 

[PruePhillip]

People have been preaching last days forever unfortunately

For sure, particularly the Adventists and JW's.
But last days in the bible are rigorously defined - there must fall be a "falling away"
and the collapse of the churches. ie Revelations, "no more the candle... no more
the voice of the bride and groom... a cage of every unclean and hateful bird."
And Paul spoke of man sitting on the throne of God as if he is God himself.
And the Jews must return home to Israel, and take back Jerusalem. And there will
be a terrible war there - worse than the ones so far seen in Israel.

So yeah, it's coming... sometime.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Do gay Christians who are in relationships with the same sex just dismiss what the Bible says about it but believe in some of the other parts of the Bible and consider themselves still a Christian? I know I dismiss parts in the Bible and I'm still a Christian.

The times in which the Bible was written were very different than today. We have more knowledge about many things. Why should people adhere to outdated and wrong information? Take the good and leave the bad.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

WRONG!!! The bible says nothing at all about same sex acts by females, given that they do not have anal sex as obviously described in Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 and in Romans 1:26-27 for heterosexual women.

If you believe otherwise, where does Leviticus 18 or 20 say that it is disgusting for women to lie with womankind as with mankind? And where does Romans 1:26-27 says that the men's women were "working that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet" from penetrative sex with other women? And where does the bible say that anal sex is the"natural use of the woman" and/or that female genitalia are "vile" & "unseemly" (Romans 1:26-27)? Or are you just grasping at straws?

Every person-male, female, gay, straight-who have same sex sex are committing sins. That's the christian religion. Everything else is just flapping wings at each other.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So where does the bible say anything about same-sex behaviour of females, or did you just make that up?

Why are you stuck on same-sex behavior in females?

It is for all people-gay, straight, male, female, doesn't matter. There is no bias in sexual promiscuity. The bible condemns all people who commit it.

 

[PruePhillip]

The times in which the Bible was written were very different than today. We have more knowledge about many things. Why should people adhere to outdated and wrong information? Take the good and leave the bad.

Who decides which of the Christian rules can be bent?
And who gave these people the authority to do so?
Why do you call some commandments "bad" ?

 

[King Phenomenon]

But too often their religion reinforces their hatred and bigotry.

I'm not 100% sure if that's the case. It could be just in their nature to be that way unfortunately

 

[King Phenomenon]

Do you believe being gay is something somebody does?

If so, one can "be gay" and be Christian but it depends on whether the gay person is being gay.

It just depends on how you define gay and homosexuality to answer your OP. If going by biblical definition, that Christian would just need to grow in Christ and correct his actions. If an orientation, the two aren't related to each other.

So, it depends on how you are defining gay and homosexual to answer your OP.

Not really sure what you're saying by what somebody does. I think they're born that way as I have already stated. And I think it's a behavior. And I think some are excepting and live freely and others are repressed