The comments in this thread are mostly about preconceived prejudice rather than an objective view of the facts.
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Freedom of Symbolic Under Fire in Sweden
- Thread starter Mike.Hester
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The comments in this thread are mostly about preconceived prejudice rather than an objective view of the facts.
epronovost
Well-Known Member
Your aware that the far-right people who wanted to burn that book are violent authoritarian opposed to democracy, in favor of a "generous" application of the death penalty, treat women as sub-humans as do they with homosexuals and are also often decrying age of censent laws. The only notably difference is the name of their gods and holy books. Far-right extremists have far more in common with ISIS than they have with secular humanists.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Seems that your blame is just one-sided.
Mike.Hester
Member
Depends where you live.In Portland(Democratic City) you are cheered!
Do you think that burning a flag is worse than burning a Koran?
Ideally people should be free to burn whatever property they own. Including books, flags, their houses (providing no one is inside.) Whatever. Burn the Holy books from my “group” if you must.
But the intent behind burning a holy book in particular is to incite a response. It is often an act of hate.
So I can’t really blame people who react against such an act. I do not condone any violent retort, but a protest against such a thing is also exercising free speech.
But the intent behind burning a holy book in particular is to incite a response. It is often an act of hate.
So I can’t really blame people who react against such an act. I do not condone any violent retort, but a protest against such a thing is also exercising free speech.
Violence is inexcusable even though the far-right bigots who burned the Qur'an clearly wanted to incite hatred. Reacting with protests is fine and an exercise of free speech; reacting with violence isn't.
That said, you have to keep in mind that the reports talk about 300 rioters. That's an extremely small fraction of Muslims in Sweden, much less Europe or the rest of the world. Trying to imply that these 300 people represent the Muslim community or Islam at large is problematic and only serves to fuel the flames of the hatred and division.
That said, you have to keep in mind that the reports talk about 300 rioters. That's an extremely small fraction of Muslims in Sweden, much less Europe or the rest of the world. Trying to imply that these 300 people represent the Muslim community or Islam at large is problematic and only serves to fuel the flames of the hatred and division.
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
You know in Germany and Austria, what we called the people who burned books they didn't like?
Nazis.
Nazis.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
Another defender of book burnings, seriously?
That's a side issue. The effects and acceptability (or not) of burning a book are often a function of the book's content and cultural status and influence. You could burn a scripture to incite discord and division, and you could burn Mein Kampf in opposition to white supremacy. The act of burning a book doesn't in and of itself make you a Nazi any more than any other act of protest.
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
Of course, this could be about literally any movement of ultra-nationalist, authoritarian, antisemitic, white supremacist book burners.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
I look at it this way.
It is my book I will do what ever the F*** I want with it.
I do not need nor do I want or ask your permission or approval to do with my own property whatever I like.
Now if you are unable to get off your high horse and engage in discussion on the topic.....
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
Cool, so do you prefer your shirts black or brown?
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
I prefer my shirts one or more sizes larger than proper fit.
I prefer comfort over fashion.
Though I have no idea what my shirts have to do with your self proclaimed moral high horse.
You do understand that you have revealed to the whole thread that all that is needed to lead you around by the nose is to burn a book.
My bad, do not even have to burn a book.
No.
All that is needed to lead you around by the nose to is mention burning a book.
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
Totally. It's not like these guys have anything else in common with Nazis, after all.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
So you have no intention on having a meaningful honest discussion on book burning?
No worries mate.
I did not expect one from you.
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
You mean a discussion where you are going to defend book burning as a normal form of political expression?
Probably not.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Where is it a "normal form of political expression"?
So far as I can tell, so long as the books being burned are bought and paid for, I say let them burn as many as they want.
It helps the wallet of those making money off the sales of the books.
It also says more about those burning the books than any one else.
I for one prefer freedom of speech, freedom of expression.
So long as they are not destroying anyone else's property or causing harm to others, let them make as big an *** out of themselves as they want.
I also refuse to let others lead me around by the nose with so simple a manipulation.