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Can you at least attempt to be an honest interlocutor? You made a poor argument. Why get snarky about your failure?Do you need a change in yours?
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Can you at least attempt to be an honest interlocutor? You made a poor argument. Why get snarky about your failure?Do you need a change in yours?
No... you haven't presented a case that God is a liar. What you have offered is your personal opinion. Even scientists have different views as they look at the same evidenceI was not talking about junk DNA. By the way, most of it is still junk. Go back and reread my post. ERV's are slam dunk evidence for evolution. You may not be letting yourself understand how. That could be that old creationist cog. dis. kicking in.
And asking about Noah and his magic boat was not moving the goalposts. Believing in that myth is another example of calling God a liar.
But you seem like you are so angry.Can you at least attempt to be an honest interlocutor? You made a poor argument. Why get snarky about your failure?
Sorry Kenny, but your inability to understand is your problem. A case was made. You proved that you were not listening. That is not my fault.No... you haven't presented a case that God is a liar. What you have offered is your personal opinion. Even scientists have different views as they look at the same evidence
Please, you are rudely trying to goad. That tells others that you know that you are wrong. You want your opposition to get angry.But you seem like you are so angry.
I did ... I wish you could actually read my posts and digest it.Please, you are rudely trying to goad. That tells others that you know that you are wrong. You want your opposition to get angry.
Can you deal with the arguments presented?
No, denial and running away is not dealing with it. You made the error of thinking that I was talking about junk DNA. You only linked another article that you did not understand about it. How is that dealing with it.I did ... I wish you could actually read my posts and digest it.
LOL - If that makes you happy.No, denial and running away is not dealing with it. You made the error of thinking that I was talking about junk DNA. You only linked another article that you did not understand about it. How is that dealing with it.
Sorry, you are still calling God a liar and now you are without excuse.
Let's forget about your past losses and bad behavior. Since you could not understand the argument I fleshed it out for you a bit.LOL - If that makes you happy.
What kind of cataclysmic event?So we find that (without a time frame) the heaven and the earth was created. - 4.5 Billion years ago? With beings, animals et al. where you can find the bones of what man thinks is our ancestry.
But a cataclysmic event happened and a recreation happened where man was created.
I agree that it doesn't make sense on multiple counts, but if one takes it as being allegorical, then it can make sense. My hypothesis is that it was "penned" as a counter to the earlier and much mor widespread polytheistic Babylonian creation narrative.I see that he is traveling for a day or so. But I always did think that it was rather blasphemous of some Christians to try to tell God how he made the world. If one actually studies the Adam and Eve myth properly it puts God at fault. The imperfections of man are rather obvious and do not need a mythical source. The story just allowed people with no scientific education to accept that they were not perfect. It does work that way.
The issue of salvation doesn't rely on a direct creation of that which is supposedly unchanged.In the arena of faith concerning you and I, Metis, it wouldn't matter as knowing whether we "evolved or were created" isn't the basis of our salvation or our shalom.
Amoebas don't create anything directly but other amoebas. However, what we know with certainty is that natural forces, and possibly Divine ones, can indeed lead to changes, and the ones that are more successful can be more readily replicated even though they will change as well over time one way or the other. Even us humans do this with selective breeding that will speed up the process.Secondly, scientifically, I can't see how an amoeba (or any other cell) can create the complexities of the human being even over 4.5 billion years. I don't see it reproducible unless man "creates" another human being by manipulating DNA which only support my position.
So? Apes can climb trees better than you and I.Lastly, socially, comes with a question. Have we evolved more than apes? Intellectually, are we more advanced?
Can you establish without a doubt that the HS doesn't kick in with the ape line? other primates? before them?I have heard that position. But, for me, it doesn't line up with the definition of the Holy Spirit that Jesus presented to us. Power can't be "grieved" or be "quenched". Neither does power speak or teach.
I don't think that was the issue nor the subject matter we were talking about... don't know if we are changing subjects here.What kind of cataclysmic event?
When?
What evidence is there for it?
Why do humans so much like those pour creatures which went extinct in the cataclysmic event?
The issue of salvation doesn't rely on a direct creation of that which is supposedly unchanged.
Amoebas don't create anything directly but other amoebas. However, what we know with certainty is that natural forces, and possibly Divine ones, can indeed lead to changes, and the ones that are more successful can be more readily replicated even though they will change as well over time one way or the other. Even us humans do this with selective breeding that will speed up the process.
So? Apes can climb trees better than you and I.
We are large-brained apes, and when we go back through time with human fossils, the head sizes keep getting smaller and smaller. Looking at your avatar, you could be the prime example of an "evolutionary throwback".
I believe that everything that breathes, breathes because of God's presence and life.Can you establish without a doubt that the HS doesn't kick in with the ape line? other primates? before them?
You know I'm a big fan of the HS and why, so I do not in any way see a wall of separation that says the HS ["God's Spirit" in Torah] only started with us humans.
Even though I came from a fundamentalist Protestant church that taught that the ToE was bogus, I left that church and ended up getting a graduate degree in anthropology and taught it for 30 years. The amount of information on human evolution is vast, and the problem I had was not trying to find data but deciding which evidence I had to trim or cut to fit into the allotted time I had.
I don't think we are. I'm still intrigued by your specific 1% of science denial. (#158)I don't think that was the issue nor the subject matter we were talking about... don't know if we are changing subjects here.
I agree, but I don't see the relevance. Carbon dating is only one tool of many.Since we are moving forward, do you agree with this statement? "That’s because fossil fuels can shift the radiocarbon age of new organic materials today, making them hard to distinguish from ancient ones." ?
Thanks to Fossil Fuels, Carbon Dating Is in Jeopardy. One Scientist May Have an Easy Fix | Science| Smithsonian Magazine
I don't think we are. I'm still intrigued by your specific 1% of science denial. (#158)
You except evolution, just not human evolution and I'm still missing an explanation how you come to that in light of all the evidence we have for it. I want to know your alternative hypothesis and how it explains the evidence away.
But I come more and more to the conclusion that you don't have an explanation and you know it. It's just "my granddaddy ain't no monkey".
I agree, but I don't see the relevance. Carbon dating is only one tool of many.