Flood Evidences — revised

[ppp]

quran got it right. noah flood a regional flood. and no nephilim in quran story nephilim ' fallen rapist angels '

Which has nothing to do with Galileo.

 

[Sheldon]

Where does it say the Sun did not exist before vegitation was created?

• the third day - dry land, seas, plants and trees were created.
• the fourth day - the Sun, Moon and stars were created.

I would have thought you'd know this tbh?

The only reason why you wont like to agree with the Nebular theory, is because it sounds too much like a Biblical description.

I never disagreed with the Nebular theory, and I don't agree with your clearly biased interpretation.

Do you see how bias you are?

 

[Sheldon]

Furthermore, Even science gives a description that is right from Genesis!
(Nigel Henbest had an artist construct a graphical display to explain the Nebular theory in simple terms.
I added Genesis to show you that If this picture is placed in the KJV, it would not be a contradiction.
Actually, it proves that what science believes today, is exactly the descroption of Kant as he took it from the Bible!
View attachment 61390

Funniest post ever, and I mean ever.

 

[Sheldon]

Mmmm, so do you say there are no sedimentary layer covering huge areas of all the continents on the Earth?
Do you say there are no fossils showing rapid sedimentary covering of animal and plants within minutes, even to the extend that some fossilised animals were still eating, or giving birth?
Or that the ripples on the sedimentary rock all show one direction all over the Earth, from East to west?
Or that the coal beds in North America covers from California, to England, over Europe, Russia, and asia, including Africa?
I'm talking Global catastrophic events pal, in a few days!

I am not a geologist, but again, I love it when the evolutionists dont answer Creationist scientists on their findings.
What do you say?
How was this masses of coal laid down ovet the whole earth?
Local floods?

There is no geological evidence for a global flood, and there is scientific consensus in that field on this. You could always Google another creationist making false claims about scientific evidence, like you did with the Genesis creation myth above.

 

[KWED]

I left church for islam after reading noah flood story in quran art was regional affecting only the people of noah. science agrees. and the Bible reasoning for the 'worldwide flood'. nephilim ' fallen angels who raped women on earth '

The story makes no sense if it was just a regular, local flood. These happen all the time and have perfectly natural explanations. No god required.

Also, the Quran account includes Nuh's son being drowned despite taking shelter on a mountain, and the ark coming to rest on Mount Judi. This means that the flood must have been deep enough to cover the highest peaks in the region, which are several thousand feet high. Therefore it cannot have been a local flood. The one described in the Quran is just as impossible as the one in the Bible.

 

[Sheldon]

The story makes no sense if it was just a regular, local flood. These happen all the time and have perfectly natural explanations. No god required.

Also, the Quran account includes Nuh's son being drowned despite taking shelter on a mountain, and the ark coming to rest on Mount Judi. This means that the flood must have been deep enough to cover the highest peaks in the region, which are several thousand feet high. Therefore it cannot have been a local flood. The one described in the Quran is just as impossible as the one in the Bible.

The Koranic flood myth is a plagiarised modified version of the Noah flood myth, which in turn was in all probability plagiarised from an earlier such myth, and itself embellished.

There is no geological evidence for any global flood.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

More evidence keeps on being unearthed:

As Siberia's Permafrost Thaws, Scientists Marvel At The Mammoth Treasures Beneath

It’s evidence for the Flood, because there aren’t any other mechanisms that can explain the perfect preservation of the innumerable surface-dwelling creatures that have been discovered deep within the Permafrost ranging from Canada through Siberia.

Dr. Dalen and others are required to toe the line to appease the naturalistic-driven agenda that plagues the upper echelons of the geologic & biologic sciences, we understand, but as the evidence piles up, the question of how will continue to stay unanswered.

‘Humans caused their extinction’ — what a laugh.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

The story makes no sense if it was just a regular, local flood. These happen all the time and have perfectly natural explanations. No god required.

Also, the Quran account includes Nuh's son being drowned despite taking shelter on a mountain, and the ark coming to rest on Mount Judi. This means that the flood must have been deep enough to cover the highest peaks in the region, which are several thousand feet high. Therefore it cannot have been a local flood. The one described in the Quran is just as impossible as the one in the Bible.

A local flood would not account for those in the Ark, according to Genesis, to remain in there for so long.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I left church for islam after reading noah flood story in quran art was regional affecting only the people of noah. science agrees. and the Bible reasoning for the 'worldwide flood'. nephilim ' fallen angels who raped women on earth '

A local flood would not account for those in the Ark, according to Genesis, to remain in there for so long.

And just how did the numerous unrelated mythologies, such as Hindu, Norse, Greek, etc., come to share the concept of ‘the gods sleeping with women’?

Too much similarity — a kernel of truth, not easily debunked. Ignored, yes; but no other explanation suffices.

If the Bible isn’t accurate, telling us simple truths like 1 John 5:19 (Biblehub) , Revelation 12:9, and Jesus’ own words at John 12:31 etc., — why do you think the world is so messed up? People are lost. Don’t know which way to turn.

 

[Subduction Zone]

More evidence keeps on being unearthed:

As Siberia's Permafrost Thaws, Scientists Marvel At The Mammoth Treasures Beneath

It’s evidence for the Flood, because there aren’t any other mechanisms that can explain the perfect preservation of the innumerable surface-dwelling creatures that have been discovered deep within the Permafrost ranging from Canada through Siberia.

Dr. Dalen and others are required to toe the line to appease the naturalistic-driven agenda that plagues the upper echelons of the geologic & biologic sciences, we understand, but as the evidence piles up, the question of how will continue to stay unanswered.

‘Humans caused their extinction’ — what a laugh.

Sorry, but it is not evidence for the flood. Do you want to know why?

 

[KWED]

A local flood would not account for those in the Ark, according to Genesis, to remain in there for so long.

So you are claiming that there really was a global flood, deep enough to cover all the habitable land on earth?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you are claiming that there really was a global flood, deep enough to cover all the habitable land on earth?

Yes. He is

 

[ChristineM]

and Jesus’ own words at John 12:31 etc., — why do you think the world is so messed up? People are lost. Don’t know which way to turn.

Eh? You mean a compilation of hearsay and random snippets of second stories, created 350+ years after Jeses death containing what is claimed John said that Jesus said.

Messed up? Lost? Yup some people are. You are however welcome to believe whatever you want.

 

[Sheldon]

Global Flood evidence:

***1.Vast herds of grazing animals, perhaps millions of them, discovered within the permafrost (called muck fields by some, due to the mud mixed in from previous melting), in the Alaskan and Yukon regions. In the Siberian permafrost, a few have been discovered upright, with food (some which only grows in temperate climates) discovered still unchewed in their mouths, like the Berezovka Mammoth. (They died instantly, not from a slow-moving ice age!)

http://www.amendez.com/Noahs Ark Articles/NAS Worldwide Mammal Massacre.pdf

The question is raised — and properly so: “How could a Global Flood cause such freezing temperatures?” Keep in mind, some of the water (not most...most were from the “vast springs” underneath the ground) came from above, from the atmosphere....the troposphere?...the mesosphere?...the stratosphere? The Bible doesn’t say, it is silent. (Maybe from all five.) But the waters existing above the Earth prior to the Flood, resulted in mild temperatures, and pleasantly warm.... similar to a greenhouse effect, worldwide. (That’s why Adam & Eve could go naked, and be very comfortable.) Yes, the Bible indicates there were seasons, but apparently mild ones.

All of that drastically changed, with the break in this vapor(?) / ice (?) canopy! Temperatures would drop suddenly!

***2.This project, completed by physics students of the University of Leicester, provides an interesting conclusion:
‘Noah’s Ark would have floated’.

And this one:
Could Noah’s Ark Float? In Theory, Yes | Science | Smithsonian

Further information:
Noah’s Ark was the focus of a major 1993 scientific study headed by Dr. Seon Hong at the world-class ship research center KRISO, based in Daejeon, South Korea. Dr. Hong’s team compared twelve hulls of different proportions to discover which design was most practical. No hull shape was found to significantly outperform the 4,300-year-old biblical design. In fact, the Ark’s careful balance is easily lost if the proportions are modified, rendering the vessel either unstable, prone to fracture, or dangerously uncomfortable.
The research team found that the proportions of Noah’s Ark carefully balanced the conflicting demands of stability (resistance to capsizing), comfort (“seakeeping”), and strength. In fact, the Ark has the same proportions as a modern cargo ship.


The study also confirmed that the Ark could handle waves as high as 100 ft (30 m). Dr. Hong is now director general of the facility and claims “life came from the sea,” obviously not the words of a creationist on a mission to promote the worldwide Flood. Endorsing the seaworthiness of Noah’s Ark obviously did not damage Dr. Hong’s credibility.

Dr. Seon Won Hong was principal research scientist when he headed up the Noah’s Ark investigation. In May 2005 Dr. Hong was appointed director general of MOERI (formerly KRISO). Dr. Hong earned a B.S. degree in naval architecture from Seoul National University and a Ph.D. degree in applied mechanics from the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.

Thinking Outside the Box: Size and Shape of the Ark

***3.Coupled with that, the dimensions of the Ark, a 6-to-1 ratio of length to width, and 10-to-1 ratio of length to height, are exactly what is needed for a non-powered vessel of that size to maintain stability! Only in the last 2 centuries have ship builders recognized that these proportions are perfect for non-powered barge-like ships to be seaworthy. This is powerful evidence supporting a literal interpretation: How could Moses have known, in recording the event, that Noah was given such ideal dimensions? Fortunate guessing?

***4.The numerous Flood legends (exceeding 250, one anthropologist says near 1,000), that share many similarities, some strikingly so, that indicates a common source.



***5.Furthermore, the Bible indicates, in Psalms 104, that the Flood was the cause of Earth’s mountains reaching such great heights. (With the underground waters spewing upward, the land would, by necessity, settle downward.) This would mean the high mountainous ranges we have today, like the Alps, the Himalayas, the Andes, and others, did not exist before the Flood; they are relatively young in formation. Some were even underwater prior to the Flood — see #6. (Not that the rocks are young, but that the features they form, are new, geologically speaking. What do we see? We observe crisp, well-defined features! If these mountains were millions of years old, we would see weathered, rounded features, due to the extreme wind and other erosion forces that they constantly endure. But we don’t! (This evidence is the easiest of all the geological facts to see...yet to me the most overlooked.)

***6.[related to #5]The marine creatures discovered on the tops of many mountain ranges, even on Mt. Everest — gigantic clams, some measuring 5 feet or more across, found in the closed position, indicating (again) that these creatures experienced a catastrophic event, leading to their quick death. (Clams in natural death, die w/ their shells open.) All remain exposed....if they’re millions of years old, why aren’t they eroded, also? Because these particular ones died at the Flood!!

***7.Where did all the water go? Apparently, it’s still here, at the Earth. If we again take into account what Psalms 104 reveals — that it was the Flood that caused our current topography, the very high mountains and low valleys, then the Earth’s terrain was somewhat smoother than now. (And Genesis tells us, the highest mountain was covered by around 22 ft. of the water.) It’s been determined that if the Earth was smoothed out like a billiard ball, the present water in all the ocean and lake basins would cover the planet to a depth of 2.5 miles! More than enough.....yet, scientists have discovered even more water in the Earth’s mantle, estimated to be almost 10 times as much as exists on our surface! So, that presents no obstacle!

***8.The Chinese character for "boat" comprises three radically different symbols: 'vessel', 'mouth' (representing a person), and the number ''8”. Why is this significant? Because there were 8 people who survived the Flood in the Ark. Some ancient Semitic person thought the Flood Event was worthy enough, to incorporate it into their language, helping others to remember the Chinese word for boat. They didn't have a Bible to get the idea from, and I doubt Moses knew any Chinese people, to get his writing from!

Are you of the mindset that, when reading about God causing a global Flood, you don’t think He’d use His power throughout other aspects of the event? Or afterwards? Let’s see what the Genesis account reveals: He brought the waters above and below to Earth’s surface....He gave Noah instructions on building the Ark, providing those ideal proportions....He brought the animals to Noah (No, Noah didn’t have to go get them, as some dishonestly purport.)....and He closed the door. Only those w/ closed minds would assume (want to, maybe?) that God’s power stopped there. Is He somehow incapable of protecting the occupants in the Ark, or the plant life underneath the waters? Does Jehovah God have to reveal / explain every aspect involved? If He brought the animal to Noah, is it too much of a stretch to believe that Jehovah redistributed them to their former locations after the Flood?

Jehovah God is not required to explain anything more to us....what we do know, the evidence, is enough to build faith in the account.

Another indirect line of evidence, as to why God would cause such a catastrophe, are the Greek, Roman, Hindu, Norse, etc., myths describing “gods” interacting w/ humans, having relations w/ women, and producing offspring. (Since most all myths have some kernel of truth, this common narrative between them, of gods having sex w/ human females & bearing children, must be it.) It parallels Genesis 6:1-4, and explains to some extent why Jehovah had to step in, to thwart the eventual subjugation of the human race into sex slavery. But these “myths” created after the event, have kept it living in the collective mind of the human race.

None of that is credible evidence for a global flood, but a larger problem is the geological fact that no global flood ever occurred. These are tried old creationist canards as well, misrepresented or misunderstood.

 

[Viker]

It’s evidence for the Flood, because there aren’t any other mechanisms that can explain the perfect preservation of the innumerable surface-dwelling creatures that have been discovered deep within the Permafrost ranging from Canada through Siberia.

Murderous temperature change? Blizzards? You're excluding other possibilities.

 

[Audie]

More evidence keeps on being unearthed:

As Siberia's Permafrost Thaws, Scientists Marvel At The Mammoth Treasures Beneath

It’s evidence for the Flood, because there aren’t any other mechanisms that can explain the perfect preservation of the innumerable surface-dwelling creatures that have been discovered deep within the Permafrost ranging from Canada through Siberia.

Dr. Dalen and others are required to toe the line to appease the naturalistic-driven agenda that plagues the upper echelons of the geologic & biologic sciences, we understand, but as the evidence piles up, the question of how will continue to stay unanswered.

‘Humans caused their extinction’ — what a laugh.

Lots of adjectives and commentary but as
predictable, when it comes to facts indicating a flood?
"Perfectly preserved' is the laugh.

Though blatant falsehoods are not real
funny, neitherare they honourable.

"Perfect preservation does not exist.
Adjectives such as "appalling stench" are
the usual for reports on the state of preservation.

The bit about "no other explanation" is another
blatant falsehood.

As in dishonest.

The accusation of intellectual dishonesty
levelled against academics in geology and
biology is somewhere in the range of laughable
and contemptible, but of some merit as a
specimen of psychological projection.

 

[Audie]

Murderous temperature change? Blizzards? You're excluding other possibilities.

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"Other" possibilities? "Flood" is not a possibility at all.

There is no need for a temperature change.
Summer temps in the far north are low so
a big animal dying before winter will remain
intact for some time.

The mammoth carcasses are almost all extensively scavenged and badly decayed.

They carbon date over a range of tens of
thousands of years.

The only flood fantasy I have hear to top
the scenario for flood- caused fast freeze of mammoths
for hallucinatory nonsense is one about the excess water
from "Flood" being wafted to Neptune where
it shines to this day as a warning beacon against
incoming rogue angels.

 

[Jose Fly]

More evidence keeps on being unearthed:

As Siberia's Permafrost Thaws, Scientists Marvel At The Mammoth Treasures Beneath

It’s evidence for the Flood, because there aren’t any other mechanisms that can explain the perfect preservation of the innumerable surface-dwelling creatures that have been discovered deep within the Permafrost ranging from Canada through Siberia.

Okay, you've piqued my curiosity. How specifically does the flood explain this? Walk me through the process.

 

[Audie]

Okay, you've piqued my curiosity. How specifically does the flood explain this? Walk me through the process.

Yes, the exact details.

 

[Riders]

More evidence keeps on being unearthed:

As Siberia's Permafrost Thaws, Scientists Marvel At The Mammoth Treasures Beneath

It’s evidence for the Flood, because there aren’t any other mechanisms that can explain the perfect preservation of the innumerable surface-dwelling creatures that have been discovered deep within the Permafrost ranging from Canada through Siberia.

Dr. Dalen and others are required to toe the line to appease the naturalistic-driven agenda that plagues the upper echelons of the geologic & biologic sciences, we understand, but as the evidence piles up, the question of how will continue to stay unanswered.

‘Humans caused their extinction’ — what a laugh.

Where's the proof.