The only reason Amtrak has a monopoly is that no one else wants to do it.
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Flight Shaming....I Like It !!
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Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
I thought years ago that in the future driving SUVs could become an immoral act.
They can be electric & efficient now.
Wu Wei
ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
Pretty much, and Amtrak doesn't even own the rails they run on
Wu Wei
ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
well, I didn't exactly say that. close though...... ad it was funny...in a eeeewwww sort of way
Funny?
Why would the guy do that to that?
Wu Wei
ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
No idea....and we shall never speak of this again
Well, well, well, so you are shaming shamers these days. When you compiled your list of shamers, did you by chance notice how one-sided and misleading it was? As a reasonable person, it might alarm you to know that you, PruePhillip, mention "heterosexual shaming" but you forget to mention "homosexual shaming". You mention "Judaeo Christinanity shaming", but you forget to mention "atheist shaming". You mention "Capitalist shaming", but you forget to mention "socialist shaming". And so on.
As a person who obviously values being honest with people and not lying to them just to score points for your own side, you are no doubt appalled that you have somehow overlooked every last bit of the shaming that is conducted by your side, and have accidentally included only the shaming that is conducted by the folks you disagree with. But of course you meant to present truthful and honest reasons to support your own views and did not mean to dupe and make fools of anyone who believed and trusted you.
Just thought I would help out a good man (that is, you) who obviously wants to do the right thing by people and not BS them into becoming his fools, tools, and dupes.
It is curious to me that so very often, the people who are the most appalled at the suggestion they and others might voluntarily cut back on or eliminate meat from their diets in order to lessen various and sundry unnecessary negative impacts on the earth's ecosystems*, are the very same people who for irrational religious reasons propose maximizing the earth's human population by legally abolishing the most effective means of birth control, criminalizing abortion, and passing laws restricting access by teenagers to scientifically accurate information about human sexuality. You would almost think those good folks wanted the world destroyed by over-population just as fast and thoroughly as it can possibly be accomplished. But of course, the real culprit is most likely not an actual desire to destroy the world, but rather unfathomably deep stupidity and ignorance.
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* An example of an "unnecessary negative impact" on one of the earth's ecosystems might easily be the wholesale deforestation of the Amazon river basin almost entirely for the sole purpose of raising beef cattle for consumption by Americans -- mainly as hamburger sold via fast food chains.
To all who are interested,
As a reasonable person, rather than a partisan fool, you no doubt harbor a desire to assess the merits and demerits of shaming as a means of social control -- and to do so as objectively and as rationally as possible.
Perhaps one method of assessing a few of shaming's merits and demerits would be to FIRST rank shaming along with two other methods of social control. That is, where does shaming rank in your view as a moral means of social control when compared to reasoning with someone and coercing someone? From most moral to least moral, in what order come reasoning, shaming, and coercing?
SECOND, you might want to rank those three methods of social control in terms of effectiveness. That is, how often does reasoning with someone serve to change someone's behavior as compared to shaming or coercing them? Form least effective to most effective, where does shaming rank?
After you have assessed shaming by those tests, you -- as an intelligent and intellectually creative thinker -- can of course come up with a half-dozen to a dozen other ways of more or less objectively and rationally assessing shaming as a means of social control. And once you have done that, of course, you may be permitted to present yourself to others as reasonably well informed on the issue of shaming.
Wishing you the best.
EXACTLY!
You are correct that Plato was quite fond of tyrants and even sought to be hired by them. For instance, the Tyrant of Syracuse. Some folks -- such as Plato -- are just dead set against people governing themselves, aren't they?
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Exactly.
100% accurate.
You take your pick what bias you want - but you will be biased.
Heard it said re Christianity - Westerners are Christian because their culture is Christian,
no other reason.
But.... I put it to you there are reasons for this "no other reason"
I hold to four values for specific reasons
1 - Judaeo Christianity because of the depth of the bible (as opposed to say, the Greek gods) and the
effect its decline has had on society.
2 - Liberal democracy, because it offers the individual the most freedom of any system
3 - Capitalism, because it gives a standard of living no other system can provide
4 - Scientific Method because it explains and makes predictions like no other system of knowledge
All four are under savage attack in our universities, and the kids from these institutions will be the
next generation of scientists, educators, politicians and media personnel. I predict the social divisions
we face today are going to get a lot worse, and our freedoms and standard of living compared to up
and coming nations (like Asia) will continue to decline.
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Whatever the reason, they know they're the only game in town, and it shows.
In so far as your statement goes, I actually agree with you to some substantial degree. However, I see those four things as also being under savage attack in our political culture and by extremists on both sides. Perhaps I am not quite as partisan about it as is socially required these days.
I love how you think a thousand years out!
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
That is true. But the nature of the extremists is different, IMO.
The right extremist wants to preserve the status quo and the
left extremist wants to destroy it.
For instance, polygamy will be a hot button issue in America
in the next, say, twenty or so years (going by Gallup Poll
statistics shown in my profile.)
The Right will adopt the "traditionalist" approach and the
Left will lobby for "marriage freedom."
If you think about it - the "right wing extremist" isn't really
that "extremist", he or she is simply maintaining life-as-we
know-it with heterosexual monogamous marriage. The
"Left wing extremist" is essentially, the true extremist.
50 years ago, when I was growing up, "conservative" by and large meant someone who wanted to preserve or conserve what was best and most valuable in America's traditions, culture, and institutions. There were exceptions, of course. People such as the John Birchers who called themselves "conservatives" but were actually bent on undermining key features of American traditions, culture, and institutions. That's why genuine conservatives such as William F. Buckley opposed them.
Today is very different. Eight or nine out of every ten prominent "conservatives" on the national and even now the state levels is a "Limbaugh" conservative or worse. They are Trojan horses who deceitfully hide under the label of "conservatism" their desire to radically reshape America. Their deceit and cowardice is epic and -- unfortunately -- pandemic. But their wilful stupidity -- their wilful stupidity is unfathomably beyond anything that can be comprehended as decent and good.
At least that's how I see it. Your own mileage may vary.