Flight Shaming....I Like It !!

[Stevicus]

At least there's still a steam train in Hooterville.
Always liked that name.

They do have an airline in Pixley, though.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

They do have an airline in Pixley, though.

"That's a DC3!!! Don't you fly any jets?"

Ironically? As I remember, the DC3 has one of the best safety records in history, and there are some still flying even today. Some enterprising groups have converted them to turboprop engines (from the original rotary piston types). There was a time, or so I've read, that there were more DC3's flying than any other single type of craft, and they collectively flew more miles than any others as well.

I'd love to fly in a DC3, just for the historic experience. To be authentic, I'd like to sit in bamboo-framed seats, with canvas cushions please.

 

[Jim]

I'm asking everyone for their practices & suggestions.
So yes, new stuff.

I might have some more ideas for you after I study this document: Perspective | To Address Climate Change, Ensure Coherence Between Principle and Action

 

[oldbadger]

And of course, let's not forget
consumer shaming,
Capitalist shaming
Judaeo Christianity shaming
scientific method shaming
heterosexual shaming
morality shaming
military shaming
profit shaming
white shaming
Western society shaming

and let's fight to ban bridges, roads, airports, fisheries, timber, oil, gas, mining, fur,
meat, vaccines, GM, horse racing, pet ownership, national borders etc..

You give in to one thing and before you know the next issue is presented for you
to accept. The issue isn't really what is presented, the issue is you.

I don't know how old you are, but you might live to witness the rise of the oceans. Researchers believe that there will be at least a rise of 1 metre in this century, but that is now looking like a low estimate.

However, what with big changes in the World's weather, the reduction of the Polar ice caps, the retreating of the glaciers and the rising of the oceans, there's bound to be a point where folks will take notice, and then they'll be claiming to have always been believers.

Oh yes....... it's coming......

 

[oldbadger]

• Stop using air shipping and bubblewrap. That means no more Amazon.
• Move out of the country into a city where you can live without an automobile
• Give up plastic and metal. Live with cotton, wool, wood and wax. These are sufficient.
• Own a goat. Feed it city food. It will trim your lawn, your hedges, help recycle your waste.
• Instead of air conditioning use silk furniture, water-misters and weight driven ceiling fans.
• In winter huddle for warmth. Mammals have done for hundreds of thousands of years, including humans since whenever we appeared. Its ridiculous to claim otherwise. Its fact.
• Cease accessing the cloud. It is an energy hog using more power than airlines. This an undeniable fact.
• solar calculators are great, but don't encourage new production. Buy used.
• Bread is an energy intensive food. Opt for fresh fruits and nuts, instead.
• Use solar heating to warm soups. Don't burn coal just to heat your beans.
• Semaphore uses no coal, so encourage its use.
• There are numerous other ways that society today is in denial about.

I can tick about 70% of the above.

Before most of that, you need to insulate your home so that a 100 watt light-bulb can keep it warm in winter. That is possible.

100mm of thermal insulation fitted between floor joists, or layed under concrete floors, within external walls, and in roofs.

Triple glazing with one-way solar penetrating glass and heat reflecting inner glazing.

Solar voltaic panels can provide much of your own electricity. If you live in the country then a wind generator might be good, but bladed generators can keep neighbours awake so use fans.

Then you can consider electric vehicles, possibly.

 

[oldbadger]

You can argue (as you must) that anything your political opponent believes in will harm you.
My mother believed that all mining should be banned. She could muster a good argument
to the effect that mining is harmful (environment, injury, industrialization etc..)

Your Mum was right.

 

[oldbadger]

That whole "drifting" thing looks really hard on tires.
It's so wasteful. I treat my tires gently in order to
safely get the most life possible out of them.

Me too!
At £40 a throw for budget tyres I want 'em to be good for years, and easy acceleration, easy braking and easy cornering can save money as well as be cleaner.

 

[oldbadger]

Stop eating, period.
Grain, fruit, legumes etc require huge acreages - land that once belonged to non-humans.
Stop eating, stop breeding, lay down and die - and hand the land over to the feral cats,
dogs and weeds.

OK........ we'll let you get on with that, then.

 

[oldbadger]

I respect your personal choice.

And no sex!
Sex can kill the planet!
Sex can get hot, and we don't need heat.
And we don't need them little critters that then grow up and race cars and fly off on hols, nasty little blighters.

 

[oldbadger]

Yes, it's called "race to the bottom."

People who go on about transgender toilets, gay
marriage, nuclear disarmament etc are often not
that interested in the issues -.........................

Do you mean to say that Transgender loos will raise sea levels?

I didn't know that.

 

[oldbadger]

If the status quo is wind power then people will start
asking how many birds and bats get killed, ...............
.......... how many terrawatts
of energy are being taken out of the world's winds,
how much infrastructure of the turbines is blotting
our scenery and so on..

Blotting your scenery?
They can make scenery.
Here....... let me show you.....
This is a windfarm in the early stages of its construction (when this picture was taken), 6 miles out from our local shore. If you download the pic and blow it up you will see the 150 meter high generators.

The biggest windfarm off here is further out and 100 kilometers square in size.

So while the pessimists are moaning and doing nothing the UK is doing everything that it can to help. And the scenery off here attracts tourists to view it now.

 

[Revoltingest]

Me too!
At £40 a throw for budget tyres I want 'em to be good for years, and easy acceleration, easy braking and easy cornering can save money as well as be cleaner.

Mr Van's & Mr Trailers' tires are even spendier.

 

[PruePhillip]

Blotting your scenery?
They can make scenery.
Here....... let me show you.....
This is a windfarm in the early stages of its construction (when this picture was taken), 6 miles out from our local shore. If you download the pic and blow it up you will see the 150 meter high generators.
The biggest windfarm off here is further out and 100 kilometers square in size.
So while the pessimists are moaning and doing nothing the UK is doing everything that it can to help. And the scenery off here attracts tourists to view it now.
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It's funny how some people view objects - nay, how ALL people view things through
the prism of their brain.
Where once people would go to see a dam and see the beauty in it, we now look
at a wind turbine in the same way.
In California you see these turbines everywhere - each connected to the grid, each
with its access road.
And people "think" they are beautiful because they are taught they are beautiful.
Objectively, they are not beautiful.

Turbines are often situated in scenic areas
Turbines kill animals
Turbines suck energy out of the wind (enough of them and the wind would slow appreciably - there's no free lunch)
Turbines break up the laminar flow of air which affects plant life and soil
Turbines create infrsound which affects humans, and surely must affect animals too.
Turbines don't stand alone - they require infrastructure.
etc

Now if you teach kids all this they will look at a turbine and see it as an ugly object.
Which it is. We are industrializing the last bits of nature left.

 

[PruePhillip]

I don't know how old you are, but you might live to witness the rise of the oceans. Researchers believe that there will be at least a rise of 1 metre in this century, but that is now looking like a low estimate.

However, what with big changes in the World's weather, the reduction of the Polar ice caps, the retreating of the glaciers and the rising of the oceans, there's bound to be a point where folks will take notice, and then they'll be claiming to have always been believers.

Oh yes....... it's coming......

Ah yes. I am old enough to remember the vicious GLOBAL FREEZING campaign
during the last 1970's.
Why was the world freezing? Because of Capitalism, American Imperialism,
Corporatism and greed.

Sure, I accept Global Warming - and it's man made. But I also see how activists
are exploiting the issue for political gain and self hate.

 

[Jim]

I found some more documents that I want to read before I say any more: Religious Statements on Climate Change

 

[Jim]

@Revoltingest I’ve decided to post some thoughts as they come to me, while I’m studying. One thing to consider is, what are all the good reasons you can think of for you, yourself, to try to do something about climate change? For myself, I can’t imagine being able to do anything that could make any consequential difference. I just have an impulse to try to be part of the solution as much as I can. Another thing to consider is, what are you aiming for, what problems are you trying to solve? For me, it isn’t only about climate change. It’s for a better world for all people everywhere, and any interest I have in climate change is only for that reason. Another thing to consider is how much to believe of what anyone is telling us, about climate change and what to do about it. I’ll come back to that later.

With all that in mind, I’m thinking of trying to continually learn more about what the best possibilities might be, and how they might happen, considering what governments and other institutions might do (or not), and what all people everywhere might do (or not). That will influence what changes I’ll be trying to make in my life, to continually improve what I’m doing for the best possibilities to happen. Part of that is learning better ways to change my habits and reflexes and learn new ones. I’ll be considering what changes might make a difference, and how much and what kind of a difference they might make.

A thought that came to me just now is that part of what the world needs most of all, and what is grievously lacking no matter which way we turn, is advice for individuals, about how to help improve the world for all people everywhere, that is actually intended for that purpose, and will actually serve that purpose.

 

[Revoltingest]

@Revoltingest I’ve decided to post some thoughts as they come to me, while I’m studying. One thing to consider is, what are all the good reasons you can think of for you, yourself, to try to do something about climate change? For myself, I can’t imagine being able to do anything that could make any consequential difference. I just have an impulse to try to be part of the solution as much as I can. Another thing to consider is, what are you aiming for, what problems are you trying to solve? For me, it isn’t only about climate change. It’s for a better world for all people everywhere, and any interest I have in climate change is only for that reason. Another thing to consider is how much to believe of what anyone is telling us, about climate change and what to do about it. I’ll come back to that later.

With all that in mind, I’m thinking of trying to continually learn more about what the best possibilities might be, and how they might happen, considering what governments and other institutions might do (or not), and what all people everywhere might do (or not). That will influence what changes I’ll be trying to make in my life, to continually improve what I’m doing for the best possibilities to happen. Part of that is learning better ways to change my habits and reflexes and learn new ones. I’ll be considering what changes might make a difference, and how much and what kind of a difference they might make.

A thought that came to me just now is that part of what the world needs most of all, and what is grievously lacking no matter which way we turn, is advice for individuals, about how to help improve the world for all people everywhere, that is actually intended for that purpose, and will actually serve that purpose.

I don't do anything specifically for GW, but rather
for multiple goals which happen to mitigate GW.

 

[Jim]

I don't do anything specifically for GW, but rather
for multiple goals which happen to mitigate GW.

Wonderful. I love it.

Another thought from my reading: Part of what is needed is people wanting to improve their own character and the way they live their lives, to help take better care of all people everywhere and all of nature, and bring out the best in them; and advice about what to do that is actually intended for those purposes and actually works for those purposes.

 

[Revoltingest]

Wonderful. I love it.

Another thought from my reading: Part of what is needed is people wanting to improve their own character and the way they live their lives, to help take better care of all people everywhere and all of nature, and bring out the best in them; and advice about what to do that is actually intended for those purposes and actually works for those purposes.

I recently improved my posting by getting a new chair.
I'm in it right now! Notice the increase in kwality?

 

[Jim]

I think that some of what’s being said about climate change and carbon footprints misrepresents what’s actually happening and its possible consequences, and uses dishonest and counterproductive fear and shaming tactics, to serve the same monopoly game interests that are causing some of our worst problems, including whatever the real consequences of any real climate change might be.