Cacafire
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There is a, to the best of my knowledge, christian assertion that Because God's existence may be outside of the universe, that science can not ever verify his non-existence or existence, as science is limited to the observable universe.
This assertion relies upon the scientific observation that an object separated from a system, can not be accessed from within the system. It is true, and thus christians are correctly using scientific arguments to further their cause.
But, this same assertion ignores the obvious result of that same scientific principle. If an object is outside of a system, then not only can it not be accessed by something inside the system, but it can not access anything inside the system as well.
It is strange the christian would use a scientific principle to justify the ignoring of science in order to asssert the existence of god. Furthermore, it is also strange that the christian would accept this scientific principle in one scenario, but flat out reject it in another.
Thus, this constitutes a flaw in the christian assertion that god lies outside the universe. The christian, if he or she wishes to use science to assert god's existence, must take into account the whole of science, and the whole of science would have the christian admit that god is, if outside the universe, completely impotent.
Note, that there is nothing wrong with the assertion that god may be outside the universe. He very well may be. But the same scientific principle that would allow theh christian conclusion would also have to be followed to realize that a god outside the system is impotent.
This is the flaw in the christian assertion of God's existence by virtue of being outside the universe. All discussion welcomed.
This assertion relies upon the scientific observation that an object separated from a system, can not be accessed from within the system. It is true, and thus christians are correctly using scientific arguments to further their cause.
But, this same assertion ignores the obvious result of that same scientific principle. If an object is outside of a system, then not only can it not be accessed by something inside the system, but it can not access anything inside the system as well.
It is strange the christian would use a scientific principle to justify the ignoring of science in order to asssert the existence of god. Furthermore, it is also strange that the christian would accept this scientific principle in one scenario, but flat out reject it in another.
Thus, this constitutes a flaw in the christian assertion that god lies outside the universe. The christian, if he or she wishes to use science to assert god's existence, must take into account the whole of science, and the whole of science would have the christian admit that god is, if outside the universe, completely impotent.
Note, that there is nothing wrong with the assertion that god may be outside the universe. He very well may be. But the same scientific principle that would allow theh christian conclusion would also have to be followed to realize that a god outside the system is impotent.
This is the flaw in the christian assertion of God's existence by virtue of being outside the universe. All discussion welcomed.