Evolution and life in the future

[ppp]

Given our sun is set to red giant, that earth will become uninhabitable, and unable to support life, how is evolution a valid theory if it's thought that life will no longer continue?

The notion that life will always continue is not part of the theory of evolution. All the the ToE discusses is how populations change over time while they exist.

 

[Balthazzar]

How, may I ask, does that involve you? I mean you personally. Will you continue being alive somehow?

I'm not sure how or why you think that question is even remotely relevant, aside from after death and rebirth scenarios. I think reincarnation.is a valid concept. I live once then comes new creations. I have no idea how, aside from maybe consumption it might work. Consumption. Hmm ..

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm not sure how or why you think that question is even remotely relevant, aside from after death and rebirth scenarios. I think reincarnation.is a valid concept. I live once then comes new creations. I have no idea how, aside from maybe consumption it might work. Consumption. Hmm ..

If I recall, it's because you seem to think that the human race will continue improving or something like that. And you call yourself a Christian evolutionist. Not sure how that might affect you and your future.

 

[Balthazzar]

Why? It will continue on other worlds. Earth is not the only planet with life.

Probably not, but she's home. I have no way out anyway, so ... I'll merge then I guess me, her, us, the sun, and the rest of this solar system will go on a roller coaster ride through the black hole, centered in the galaxy.

I think that's how it goes anyway.

 

[Balthazzar]

If I recall, it's because you seem to think that the human race will continue improving or something like that. And you call yourself a Christian evolutionist. Not sure how that might affect you and your future.

I think life evolves from life.

 

[Balthazzar]

The notion that life will always continue is not part of the theory of evolution. All the the ToE discusses is how populations change over time while they exist.

I recall life evolving from a single cell - in an environment inhospitable to life as we know it. I'll assume life evolved from a environment inhospitable to human life. I'll assume that trend will continue.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Probably not, but she's home. I have no way out anyway, so ... I'll merge then I guess me, her, us, the sun, and the rest of this solar system will go on a roller coaster ride through the black hole, centered in the galaxy.
I think that's how it goes anyway.

Yeah, it goes like that and I see nothing wrong with it. First thing, we would not be in our current form when this happens. Probably we would have long been gone, already one with the elements, our atoms transformed into millions / billions of other forms. Life on earth will last less than a billion years according to some views. We do not even know if humans will last for 600 million years. We can't change the nature of universe.

"The luminosity of the Sun will steadily increase, resulting in a rise in the solar radiation reaching Earth, resulting in a higher rate of weathering of silicate minerals, affecting the carbonate–silicate cycle, which will cause a decrease in the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. In about 600 million years from now, the level of carbon dioxide will fall below the level needed to sustain C3 carbon fixation photosynthesis used by trees. .. However, the long-term trend is for plant life to die off altogether. The extinction of plants will be the demise of almost all animal life since plants are the base of the food chain on Earth."
Future of Earth - Wikipedia

I think life evolves from life.

Life evolves from atoms to chain of atoms to life to life. That is what science says.

I recall life evolving from a single cell ..

Think where that single atom came from.

 

[Balthazzar]

Yeah, it goes like that and I see nothing wrong with it. First thing, we would not be in our current form when this happens. Probably we would have long been gone, already one with the elements, our atoms transformed into millions / billions of other forms. Life on earth will last less than a billion years according to some views. We do not even know if humans will last for 600 million years. We can't change the nature of universe.

"The luminosity of the Sun will steadily increase, resulting in a rise in the solar radiation reaching Earth, resulting in a higher rate of weathering of silicate minerals, affecting the carbonate–silicate cycle, which will cause a decrease in the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. In about 600 million years from now, the level of carbon dioxide will fall below the level needed to sustain C3 carbon fixation photosynthesis used by trees. .. However, the long-term trend is for plant life to die off altogether. The extinction of plants will be the demise of almost all animal life since plants are the base of the food chain on Earth."
Future of Earth - Wikipedia
Life evolves from atoms to chain of atoms to life to life. That is what science says.Think where that single atom came from.

Plants evolve also .. I'm curious how the mind might evolve. We process existing energy with our minds, so the way our brains and synapses and neurons, etc interact with everything will dictate the way we experience life - evolution .... I'm curious how it might progress.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Here: Brain - Wikipedia
But it is a huge, interesting subject. Science does not posit any magic in it.

 

[YoursTrue]

I think life evolves from life.

The question really must be asked, which is when and how did life begin. Life comes from God. As for development, that is enabled by Him but not as evolutionists suggest.

 

[YoursTrue]

Probably not, but she's home. I have no way out anyway, so ... I'll merge then I guess me, her, us, the sun, and the rest of this solar system will go on a roller coaster ride through the black hole, centered in the galaxy.

I think that's how it goes anyway.

Or...you could come to the conclusion that life is too astounding to have just come about by chance, and/or evolution. Even with DNA analysis. I have.

 

[gnostic]

Or...you could come to the conclusion that life is too astounding to have just come about by chance, and/or evolution.

You are repeating this same false mantra (propaganda) where you are confusing the origin of life - Abiogenesis - with Evolution.

Abiogenesis is still ongoing working hypothesis, not a scientific theory. Abiogenesis is about the origin of the cells, and therefore the origin of life.

All scientists know that the earliest life were anaerobic organisms (anaerobes) with prokaryotic cells - the earliest species of primitive bacteria.

Anaerobes were organisms that can live and breathe in atmosphere that have no free oxygen in the air, because the atmosphere in the early Earth (3.6 to 2.6 billion of years ago) comprised mostly of carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide and hydrogen sulfide due to frequent volcanic activities, and methane and nitrogen. During this period, there were no organisms capable of photosynthesis, which could convert carbon dioxide into oxygen. So all organisms (Bacteria and Archaea) before 2.6 billion years ago, were anaerobic.

We know all life have cells. And we know that bacteria exist as early 3.6 billion years ago (due to discoveries of microfossils of these early microorganisms), but what we currently don’t know is how did these first CELL form. That’s what biochemists and molecular biologists have been trying to investigate with Abiogenesis.

What we currently know about cells that every one of them, whether they are prokaryotic cells or eukaryotic cells, these cells have 3 biological macromolecules in common:

• Proteins (which are made of amino acids)
• Nucleic acids (eg RNA, DNA)
• Carbohydrates

So scientists that are researching have tried to understand these biological molecules as to how each of these can form, naturally and through experiments.

So Abiogenesis is the investigation on how these molecules before the formation of cells.

Evolution isn’t only about the origin of life, but the formation of the earliest cell, especially the origins of those biological molecules.

Life have to already exist for Evolution occur - like Natural Selection, Genetic Drift or Mutations - for life to change or diversify, or in the worse case scenario for some species - extinction of the species. Evolution require ancestors and parents for descendants to inherit genetic traits through some forms of reproduction.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I'm a Christian evolutionist - spiritual and physical are different. I'm of the mind we'll become spiritual as we progress. Ethereal entities without physical limitations. Physics deal with the physical aspects of life.

Well sure, if we allow for magic, then anything is possible.
One can wonder why you ask questions about physical consequences of physical phenomenon, if you are going to take out / ignore the physical part of the equation anyway.

I lean towards the quantum side of the physics equation

There's nothing in quantum physics that supports anything magical like "spirits".
Regardless of what woo-experts like Deepak Chopra have to say.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I recall life evolving from a single cell - in an environment inhospitable to life as we know it.

"...life as we know it", yes.
As in: life that lives today, in an environment with an atmosphere that has a different composition then what it used to be 4 billion years ago.

When the earth is scourged by the sun, there will be no atmosphere at all.
And the surface temp will be so hot that lead would melt.

This is not an environment where life can thrive. Not life as we know it, nor any other type of life.

I'll assume life evolved from a environment inhospitable to human life.

Yes. And today's environment is inhospitable to life that existed back then.

I'll assume that trend will continue.

No idea what that means.
What "trend"?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The question really must be asked, which is when and how did life begin.

You say this as if that question is not being asked?

Plenty of scientists ask that question. It is studied in the field of abiogenesis.

Life comes from God

Another thing scientists do, is NOT just make declarations like that while expecting people to accept it.

Here's the problem... you say one needs to ask the question, but the thing is - you pretend to have the answer even before the question is being asked and investigated.

You have an a priori belief about this and it is dogmatic and faith based in nature.
You have a religion which quite literally includes the requirement of you believing that "answer".
No questions are being asked or investigated. Instead, empty declarations are made and you have a religious duty to believe them - no questions asked.


This is not how we find out how the world works.
This is not a pathway to truth and accuracy.

Instead, it is a pathway to being incorrect.

As for development, that is enabled by Him but not as evolutionists suggest.

More empty assertions.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Or...you could come to the conclusion that life is too astounding to have just come about by chance, and/or evolution.

...and not care that you engage in a fallacious argument from awe / incredulity / ignorace?

Even with DNA analysis. I have.

Not really. Instead, it's the fallacious apologetic you use to rationalize the a priori religious belief you hold, as a tenant of your religions denomination.

 

[Balthazzar]

Well sure, if we allow for magic, then anything is possible.
One can wonder why you ask questions about physical consequences of physical phenomenon, if you are going to take out / ignore the physical part of the equation anyway.



There's nothing in quantum physics that supports anything magical like "spirits".
Regardless of what woo-experts like Deepak Chopra have to say.

I like magic as much as any one else, but I'm not referring to "magic" lol. Spirit seems to be a loaded term, and I didn't utilize the term spirit. I used spiritual, connoting the unseen, emotional, mental, and intangible stirring and/or active aspects of life that affect the physical aspects of life.

It's all physics -

The term rauch is the term translated to spirit - in the Bible. Even words and their meanings have a "stirring", active effect on people. That's the word "logos" - active and sharp.

 

[Balthazzar]

"...life as we know it", yes.
As in: life that lives today, in an environment with an atmosphere that has a different composition then what it used to be 4 billion years ago.

When the earth is scourged by the sun, there will be no atmosphere at all.
And the surface temp will be so hot that lead would melt.

This is not an environment where life can thrive. Not life as we know it, nor any other type of life.



Yes. And today's environment is inhospitable to life that existed back then.



No idea what that means.
What "trend"?

I enjoy watching watching an open fire. The way it moves, and consumes o2 and other fuel sources. It's almost hypnotic, as if it's alive somehow.

Nah, it's as dead as stone, water, wind, and earth. I must be crazy thinking that life will continue evolving. What was I thinking? I must be crazy.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I like magic as much as any one else, but I'm not referring to "magic" lol. Spirit seems to be a loaded term, and I didn't utilize the term spirit. I used spiritual, connoting the unseen, emotional, mental, and intangible stirring and/or active aspects of life that affect the physical aspects of life.

Most of all, those things are themselves the product of physical things.
There are no "emotions" or "mental states" without a physical brain to produce such.

Taking out the physical aspect of it, is when we get into the territory of magic.

It's all physics -

Right. And physics is what it is. And there's a certain limit to what the chemical / physical underpinnings life can endure.

So if you acknowledge that it's all physics, then what are you arguing about exactly?

The term rauch is the term translated to spirit - in the Bible. Even words and their meanings have a "stirring", active effect on people. That's the word "logos" - active and sharp.

I don't really care what the bible says nor am I interested in semantics.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I enjoy watching watching an open fire. The way it moves, and consumes o2 and other fuel sources. It's almost hypnotic, as if it's alive somehow.

Point?

Nah, it's as dead as stone, water, wind, and earth. I must be crazy thinking that life will continue evolving. What was I thinking? I must be crazy.

I love how you strawman yourself.

Nobody will disagree with the mere statement that "life will continue evolving".
But that is not what your point in this thread was.

Your point in this thread was if life will evolve and continue to exist beyond the time that the earth will be scourged by the sun in the distant future.

That's quite an important qualifier that you suddenly seem to be ommitting.