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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Balthazzar, Jul 20, 2022.

  1. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    Just to repeat what others have noted: your question is sadly incoherent.
     
  2. TagliatelliMonster

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    Huh?

    I don't get it.
    Why would evolution not be a valid theory in the event of earth-life going extinct upon the destruction of the planet it lives on?

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  3. gnostic

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    First, the sun won’t run out of hydrogen to fuse for another 4 to 5 billion years from now.

    We, humans, the Homo sapiens, have only been around less than 300,000 years, which is only fraction of time on Earth.

    With the overpopulation of humans and dwindling natural resources, I would be surprise if the Homo sapiens would be still around even 100 thousand years.

    As @ChristineM said, we have been stupidly destructive, plus no other creatures on Earth have been so bloody wasteful with resources and polluting the Earth with waste.

    I am not worry about the sun going red giant any time soon.

    Yes, it would make sun become too hot to be habitable, and it would most likely burn away our atmosphere.

    If there were no life on Earth, then yes, Evolution wouldn’t be needed, but it is still a robust science about the biodiversity of life.
     
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  4. Balthazzar

    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    I'm an evolutionist, I started the thread. If life started evolving from a single cell in a glob of gasses, chemicals, amino acids and extreme heat... a mix that is inhospitable to life, then why would life not continue evolving as the earth's climate and environment changes?
     
  5. Balthazzar

    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    Long enough to evolve through the changes I would assume. 5.5 to 7 billion years is a long time to become capable of surviving the changes. We're no longer apes or fish or single cells. We're different than we once were.
     
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    Dinosaurs have been around for over 130 million years, evolving from primitive reptile family group known as the Archosauria, the same group that crocodile family evolved from. They were the dominant land animals, and yet the K-P extinction wiped them all out, except for those smaller dinosaurs that have evolved into birds.

    I don’t think any creatures would cause the extinction of their species, and yet it did.

    In term of evolving, humans haven’t evolved much from the earlier Homo sapiens - the Cro-Mangon, anatomically speaking.

    Yes, humans are resourceful, relying on technology and with modern dietary and modern medicine, we are living longer than our ancestors, but would that mean much when extinction happened?

    Have we stunted our ability to evolve naturally?
     
  7. Balthazzar

    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    I don't know - maybe we would benefit from more sun exposure and being outdoors or, maybe the differences between indoor and outdoor environments will determine how we evolve moving forward. Salt water fish and fresh water fish seems an applicable evolutionary relevance between environments.
     
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    When the planet is getting scourged to point that lead would melt on the surface, life is no longer possible.

    It's also a mistake of you to think that life TODAY would survive the earth going back to the environment of 4 billion years ago. Almost no life that exists today would be able to survive that.

    And, off course, when the sun engulfs the earth, or at least heats it beyond imagination, by expanding, then the resulting environment (if earth even survives at all) would really not be like it was 4 billion years ago.

    Life didn't start on this planet when it was so hot that lead would melt.

    Yes, life is extremely adaptable and even if certain events cause 99% of all life to go extinct, that 1% might go on to repopulate earth with vastly different life forms.
    But there's also still this thing called "physics". Certain things simply can't be overcome.

    One of those things would be a planet with a surface temperature of say 450°C, like on Venus.
     
  9. Balthazzar

    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    The galaxy has a hole in it and I'm pretty sure this solar system is spinning around it like water in a sink drain. Is that a black hole? The sun too. Yup, the black hole portal and the spin cycle will pick up speed then shoot us out into wherever we're heading.

    Are we in a tube type galaxy? I ain't yoking either.
     
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    On a serious note, I'm fairly certain we'll keep evolving and I'm also fairly sure that as we advance in our ability to identify life in areas beyond our ability to identify life at present, we'll better understand the processes of evolution as well as the nature of living organisms and thier/our abilities to evolve and adapt. I'm not yoking.
     
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    Re evolution. Means regarding evolution is from position of known evolution.

    Cooling status. Cooling brings changes to biology.

    So does heat.

    So Satanists claim Satan created life.

    By de evolution regarding evolution. Waters mass oxygenated presence increases ice evolution mass melts. Biology changes survives. Sex brings forth sacrificed changed saved DNA into its new life form.

    He knew. He wanted as a man scientist to reinvent it. Using taught known human advice.

    So he did. Life's DNA on earth has been changed. Conscious changed no longer recognises itself consciously by genitalia. Humanity says I must await adulthood to know.

    Are they a man woman or a woman man or some other type of expressed self belief.

    Yet gods heavens gases were using ice to remain gods rock gases. Begin to change.

    Then you won't believe that Satan created human life as a scientist man.

    Who instead of claiming his man penis owns sexual self procreation says machine science invented life.

    As a I'm possessed consciousness by machines.
     
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    Real reasoning.

    About earths upper alight heavens only.

    Not about a sun. Brother asks why discuss the sun in a humans life?
     
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    ???

    I have no clue how this reply is supposedly relevant to the post you are replying to.
     
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    Again, you can't escape physics.
    Some things simply aren't survivable.

    Extremophiles may be able to survive a LOT. But even they have limits.
    And the earth being scourged by the sun would be one of them.
     
  15. rational experiences

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    When a human false preached they are exact term a theist scientist. Human.

    Who said I'm the saviour as a man.

    Yet in real scientific advised review as the man said a star wandering slowly past earth....a saviour.

    Ice....a saviour.

    Then tried to convince humanity as a man of science he is their saviour by his preaching teaching. Words evaluations. Explanations.

    Exact father's warning.

    It's biologies genesis medical healer science advice that human nuclear occult theists used against us before. Just as they do now. Claiming it higher safe mind wisdom.

    Medical scientists the closest theist to a healer yet mind effected by occult machine sciences of our past human only destroyer choices.

    So the occultist just a destroyer theist tries to hide behind his brothers human science medical advice today. Claiming holy mind.

    Medical human aware science that says warning's life is being destroyed.

    With every intention occult reactor theist is of instant machine weapon by a reaction in heavens as bio obliteration.

    As owning no machine first he theories our heavens bio life owned position. As reactive terms.

    As a theist wanting a machine reaction. By heavenly answers.

    Electricity in heavens status means no cloud mass no thunder no lightning just invented equals answer just electricity itself. His answer a man only.

    Even though he claims he is theorising using natural heavens body advice. He isn't. As it's not humans science.

    My sister owning Sus in her name. Had a university professor build his human built UFO. A sign.

    He studied electricity structured metal designed towers. Electricity was free in nature as it was Leeking.

    About human cancer causes by freed electricity. Not contained.

    So our brother in science is first naturally advised how and why freed electricity was in our heavens. By medical science first advice about occultism causes as man's science only.

    Pertinent human advice first is direct by human science only.

    As a theist and as a scientist.

    His ground base non electricity position was coal and dusts. Natural is first not thesis. No electricity position in the ground. Exact first memory.

    So when he as the designer then changes first visionary theism fake. That already fake theism position disappears. In mind memory. As it wasn't real in the first instant.

    Not natural.

    Natural humans mind says you lost your mind mad professors or mad scientist. Term of reference already said believed.

    ADAM.
    A lpha mind gone.
    MAD self as he says so himself.

    Self proclaimed idea of a theist. Himself only.

    Yet the natural alpha position earth owns isn't gone. Why he lied.

    Just his own theism use. As a man thinking by man's biology. By his own man body own mind. Biological.

    As you can only use maths once.

    So he uses maths and says his answer is as mass.

    His reactions are small to mass but not owner calculus inferred as the mass. As it's by machine only and not maths.

    Why mass delivers him his science answer. As warned. Naturally. We get attacked as it's real.

    So the sun made sink holes first as origin sin. The sun also was frozen giving earth a core. Earth unlike other planets we were not sun exploded.

    Origin black holes were by the sun.

    Smaller holes in space by maths science was an asteroid sun status blown up. Hole.

    Man thinks about earth. Gives it a thesis like an asteroid. He personally as just a man wants to personally investigate inside a black hole.

    He says earth core release becomes his mother ship. By making earth shunt off by gas released. Like his asteroid did.

    Thinks about blowing the asteroid at earths side. Black hole. Earth will move in. My final moments I will see inside that hole. All ideas just about his inventive want.

    As all thesis however is natural God earth planet natural mass first. His position bio thinker. To force earths body mass to convert.

    Our brothers owned cosmic human earths math realisation.

    From origin brain of human attacked speeding asteroid mass plummeting to earth.

    To earth invented causes want by copying to become. As his thesis is asteroid star position itself.

    As he didn't invent earth. Earth hadn't come out of suns mass as a planet. It's his thesis that is a confession claim what I want as a man.

    Isn't a thesis it's a want confession.

    Asteroids did come to earth were stopped. Every history bible all reactive reactions stopped by natural.

    He wants restarted by theorising bible as data.

    So his thesis pin points earth as either being replaced by a sun mass asteroid planet. His human thesis why a planet earth existed. An asteroid theme not a God planet theme.

    By his want returned mass controlled by machines inventive causes. Idealised.

    Or blown up at earths God side.

    As earths O flat plane slow moving sun cycle is one year only. In space is exact science.

    So we know the collider scientist has theoried the asteroid he claimed he owned as a man. It Should come back as origin humans theist advised position. By living man.

    The star mass resource his mind possession history knew about. Sun star mass. Asteroid he said he owned or was as a human man only.

    He does movies about how his nuclear...power plants energy blows up his asteroid mass near earth.

    Inventor says I copy only.

    Original changed brain burnt man. Identified gods earth mountain faced etched cities in its face. You only see it after a burnt brain mind cooled body. Gods cities in earths Rock position is first. God earth owned it.

    Man said I took that position I now own position god earth. I built cities. All in his sick rich man's human memory only. Copying.

    Oh I said it's where his man's city of God was copied then built. He dug up gold silver jewels. As the non scientist Rich man. He was poor man now king and lord. As man god terms is exact.

    Position one natural innocent man. Personality change brain prickled life mind gained. Crown of thorns his scientists designer man identity. Exact in humans natural history. Then he as a man became a human living inside heavens as king lord.

    It's his human possession by fake memory.

    Before he was technology destroyer man. Where his natural mind was eradicated. Body consciousness.

    Proven by Stephen Hawking. Science bio man gone. Machine feedback voice recording healthy man ore recorded speaking on his behalf spiritually. Only. Not the body type.

    Exactly told why.

    So it is in fact a Rich man banker money owner before origin of science in star mass. As the mind choice ownership is our modern life destroyer warning.

    Before the origin of science was first practiced...giant pyramid. Not about ancient Egypt. As he's using two earth attack data histories also. Is origin giant pyramid total life annihilation.

    It's really as exact as it was known.

    So at the moment going back in time by biology health only.... every mass a new nuclear reaction. Virtually our living life is being eradicated as if we never got born.

    Is his reality.

    As I didn't own a sperm ovary baby new memory. Image of any separate form body is exact image.... I had nearly died. I gained a mother adult human water memory saved biology in nuclear testing.

    So my adult memory has been with me spiritually my whole life.

    Why I've been psychic involved in a teaching by our parents. Warning trying to stop life's end on earth. By use of a natural developing psyche.

    Seeing human sex and not theist science is why any human lives today. The science human community is humanities false prophet.

    Under one human leadership science at NASA...cosmic terms. Exact.

    Satan cloud origin reason for existing images... by theist determined removal of.

    Origin is human old life destroyed gained Satan cloud images. As total life origin human destruction by giant pyramid science origin. America.

    AcrimeA. Exact man human named. Coded by science of men.

    If a human says I want to own the cloud means they want to end as the cloud.

    As a human life began as a human. A human life ends decomposing dec eased.

    Beginning is not equals to its end.

    No future in evolution by science.










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    YoursTrue Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

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    Primarily because it is impossible that it happened that way.
     
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    I don't understand the question. One might as well ask how the theory that living things develop from seeds or eggs is valid if all living things die.
     
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    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    I'm a Christian evolutionist - spiritual and physical are different. I'm of the mind we'll become spiritual as we progress. Ethereal entities without physical limitations. Physics deal with the physical aspects of life. I lean towards the quantum side of the physics equation
     
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    YoursTrue Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

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    How, may I ask, does that involve you? I mean you personally. Will you continue being alive somehow?
     
  20. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Why? It will continue on other worlds. Earth is not the only planet with life.
     
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