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Featured Evolution and life in the future

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Balthazzar, Jul 20, 2022.

  1. Balthazzar

    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    I thought that might be the case, but as an evolutionist, understanding that life came from a big bang, developed from an inhospitable environment, and evolved into the life forms we acknowledge today, I'd think if you truly understood the concept, you'd at the very least acknowledge the continuation and further evolution of life.
     
  2. Balthazzar

    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    Yes, I mean even after the sun scourges the earth and sucks the oxygen out of atmosphere, and even after we get pulled through the big black hole in the center of our galaxy. Life will continue to transform and evolve. Just as it has always done before.
     
  3. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

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    So, in other words, if I understand you correctly you believe that "YOU" will continue after you die.
     
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    YoursTrue Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

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    Nevertheless, it is still astounding. Beyond replication or composition (from the beginning...). As if it "just happened" without an intelligent "superior" force behind it.
     
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    Yeah, there was no 'intelligent superior' force behind it. It happened by the process of evolution. Of course, what happened to life forms is astonishing in its variety. What happened to rocks also is astonishing, if you happen to have an interest in Geology. What happened to the universe also is astonishing. From a point some 13.8 billion years ago to 94 x 5.8 trillion miles across and still expending (NASA). But that does not establish the existence of Gods and Goddesses.
     
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    Not just the oxygen.

    And you continue to ignore basic physics.


    Ow well.........
     
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    TagliatelliMonster Veteran Member

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    That isn't the case at all.

    Life did not, and would not, develop in an environment that was inhospitable to it.

    It will continue (on this planet) until the planet, through physics and chemistry, will no longer be able to sustain it. At some point, like when the sun scourges the earth, it will no longer be able to.
     
  8. Balthazzar

    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    I doubt "I"will continue. My identity is bound to this lifetime, but life continues. I have no idea whether or not anyone ever keeps an identity after death, so I don't presume it. I presume we die and begin another transformative type journey. Life evolves, life forms change over time. I think when the lights go out, our conscious awareness does also.

    Dreams are far too vague to remember while alive. It's difficult to think we retain our identities and awareness after we die. Just seems silly to think so. New creations? Yes. I do see life as being ongoing.

    Ecclesiastes 9:7-11
     
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  9. Balthazzar

    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    Are you being contrary for sake of being contrary, or are you just unfamiliar with our evolutionary origins? Inhospitable to life as we know it, is the environment we began evolving from. I won't discount life evolving further after the sun engulfs the earth and the black hole centered in our galaxy pulls us through it.
     
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    No. Just correcting your bare assertions that you seem hellbend on clinging too.

    I'm not a biologist, but I'm pretty familiar with the big picture.

    You didn't add "as we know it" in the post I was replying to.
    What you said made it seem like you think life developed in an environment that was inhospitable to the life that supposedly developed then. This is incorrect.

    If that is not what you meant, then I can only advice you to be more exact in your posts.
    I can only reply to what you actually post. I'm not a mind reader.

    "we", assuming you mean humans, did not evolve in an environment that was inhospitable to us.


    I will, because the physics and chemistry of such events render complex carbon chemistry, that life requires, impossible.

    You keep ignoring this obvious point.
     
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    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    I've stated life as we know it more than once in this thread alone. Your assumptions of how you think I view things either alludes to gross incompetence in comprehension skills or a contrary demeanor, which I assumed was the case. No offense intended, but keep up with my posts, at least try to comprehend what's written, or I'll assume you're just being argumentative, which I think at this point is an accurate assessment of your posting style.

    Life has a way of continuing, developing, sustaining, dying off, - rinse repeat x infinitum. That's the crux of my views. You tack on nonsensical rubbish to my posts that were never implied even a little. Maybe it's my religious leanings that threw you off. At the end of the day, I'm a typical evolutionist who happens to be a Chrustuan.
     
  12. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

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    The knowledge that we will die makes us different than all other beings. Gorillas, bonobos (called 'close relatives') do not make out wills -- think about who gets what -- or worry what happens when they die. If they even think about the prospect. No, sir, we are "different," that's for sure.
     
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    YoursTrue Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

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    Actually you don't know that life continues. In the long run. :)
     
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    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    #99

    I stated: I won't discount it. That's actually the truth - i actually don't know.. I will however hold true and stand on the theory of evolution with confidence, if only for the fact that it has been evidenced from our history.
     
  15. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

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    Nice scripture thanks for that inclusion. We are all bound by circumstance, genetics and upbringing. Fortunately (for me at least) there are guidelines according to the Bible believers can follow. Not to steal, not to bear false witness, and so forth.
     
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    YoursTrue Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

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    I respect you from your respectful posts. However, I do not agree about the theory being true based on history. What is true, so it appears to me, is the fact (yes, fact to me at least) that Adam & Eve were bound to die because of their sin. Not before. Unless they sinned. And it was not impossible for either to obey God. That we are Adam's progeny does not mean we evolved in the way most people think of evolution. However, we did inherit sin and death so it seems apparent anyway, genetically from them.
     
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    YoursTrue Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

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    I used to believe in the theory of evolution. But now I do not. Because I studied and believe in the Bible as the word of God. And it makes sense to me, a lot of sense. Despite what others may say about it.
    It seems to me that if a person realizes the theory doesn't hold water, so to speak, then what? Is there a God? Is there not a God? Are gods and goddesses why life exists? See, those are questions to be coped with for some if they realize the theory just doesn't fill in the 'holes' that are ever so apparent to me now anyway. :)
     
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    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    If God is all knowing, knowing the end from the beginning, them Adam and Eve were made the way they were made and it was already predetermined that death became part of life. My view is that it has always been a fact for living beings/souls. That what we are "souls", both before life and after descending from the paternal branches. we become aware, then again after the coming of age, and I'm fairly sure it's a continual devopmental process, both in awareness and physical feature.
     
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    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    I've heard it's OK to be little bitty, which makes sense to me. It's almost as if we're so little that in relation to God, we're like atoms ourselves interacting with other atoms inside the body of God. When we reach the black hole and make our journey through it, I'm of the mind that a whole new universe will be the result. A whole new us in yet another even greater universe or body of God.
     
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    YoursTrue Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

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    God did not know that Adam and Eve would sin. It was a possibility. We (you and I) are disposed to sin from birth even in the womb since we are conceived with infirmities and mental pushing. Meaning brains and physical propensities adverse from the start. Not so Adam and Eve.
     
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