Egypt's President Mursi assumes sweeping powers

[Debater Slayer]

Are you talking about Sabahy or Shafiek? Sabahy would have been a good choice IMO, Shafiek was in alliance with the salifi sect and also the previous regime, I agree they chose the lesser of evils and wanted to be as far away from Mubarik as possible,But they did knowingly elect a Muslim brotherhood afilliate and now when he seems to use power to put sharia law in full effect they protest.

I'm mainly talking about Shafik, as he was the one running against Morsi in the final round of elections.

He is not a Salafist at all; he has actually said that he "wouldn't implement Sharia in the constitution, neither at this time nor at any other." He was also in alliance with the previous regime (contrary to the Salafist party's stance), so he is as far from being a Salafist or a member of the Muslim Brotherhood as they come.

As I said, I think the reason a member (currently an ex-member, technically) of the Muslim Brotherhood was elected is that he was perceived as the lesser of evils, but not necessarily the most favorable choice in different circumstances.

I agree Morsy's original intent in doing this was a temporary solution to a problem and has said as much,But many have feared this monster under their beds for a long time and now see threats it will come to pass. In this last leak of constitutional debates within the administration, they put forth the decree that all porn will be banned from coming into Egypt. I guess some people in the judicial system think people should have the right to choose and not govt. Wouldn't it be a hoot if this whole decree and protests were about seeing who did Dallas....... Just kidding, but seriously The Coptics and liberals have abandoned their influence in creating this new constitution because they feel overpowered by the Muslim bro's influence and many worry this is just the next step in complete control. Many of my close Egyptian friends have said no way will Egyptians allow Islamic rule to be implemented, hmmmmmmm, sure does happen everywhere else in the middle east, why not Egypt?

I agree that many of the Muslim Brotherhood's decisions aren't exactly... 'ideal', but it seems to me that many Egyptian people want and would definitely allow Islamist parties to rule. Most members of parliament that were elected earlier this year by the people were from Islamist parties too, which is likely part of the reason some Copts and liberals chose not to partake in writing the new constitution and felt overpowered by their opposition (although one has to admit that their opposition at least appears to have been fairly elected and chosen by the majority of people).

Oh my... i know a rather prominent dictator of the 20th century who said exactly the same thing.



Yeah i know i just pulled a godwin.

I have some hope that Morsi is not the kind of person who would be a dictator, but only time will tell whether or not I'm right.

I have to admit that I'm not really holding my breath at this point, though. Things don't seem to be going well for the country in general.

 

[Lady B]

That party is chosen in the elections so it is the majority, the main slogan of the Broterhood was limited and small goverment also there viewpoints are not extreme in anyway.

Your whole idea that Egypt is going to become a state with Sharia is laughable there were already certain laws that are based on the Sharia in it when Mubarak was in office. The Broterhood does want to work towards a more Islamic state but they are not changing anything about the system.

I do not think It is so laughable, I think it is a valid concern for the Egyptian people right now. Yes there has always been sharia laws in the constitution as is natural when the majority is Islamic, however it has never been under strict Islamic rule as of yet and most Egyptians do not want this. You are right in that the Muslim Brotherhoods campaign slogan was small government, and after a long Mubarik rule, people grabbed at this chance for freedom, But now they are disappointed and feel completely lied to and foolish for their blindness and ignorance. I do not agree with you that The brotherhood has no goals towards strict Islamic rule. I am not saying that opinion is even a majority, but it is a valid fear of many and cannot be brushed aside as laughable.

I will tell you what concerns me is the behavior of the protestors, I cannot understand why violence always ensues following a opposing edict. How does this help anyone's cause? Mothers lose their sons, women lose their husbands, for what? How is the resulting death tolls furthering Egyptian people and the goals of the nation. How is attacking barriers and policemen who are sent in to protect while risking their own lives helping anyone or any side? Is not a peaceful protest possible in Egypt? I Love that Egypt has found her voice, I have watched and discussed the protests the victories the abilities to vote and I have cried with the people. But I also see they hurt themselves in the eyes of the world when death is in their midst, when out of control passions take lives, beat others down and destroy properties. When I first heard about this latest decree and that people were taking again to the square, my first thoughts were, Oh No ! how many will die this time? This is just not how protests should be portrayed and protests in my opinion should not cause us all to fear the outcome.

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[Lady B]

To Clarify somewhat, When I speak of strict Islamic rule ,I mean the extreme, not basic Islamic practices and rules of order. I am not opposed to a Islamic country having Islamic laws, that is their choices and It doesn't matter what our opinions are in this as long as the people are in a majority and agree, then so be it. I am more worried about strict extremism placed upon people by their government and enforced for all, such as we see in many countries who allow it.

 

[Lady B]

I'm mainly talking about Shafik, as he was the one running against Morsi in the final round of elections.

He is not a Salafist at all; he has actually said that he "wouldn't implement Sharia in the constitution, neither at this time nor at any other." He was also in alliance with the previous regime (contrary to the Salafist party's stance), so he is as far from being a Salafist or a member of the Muslim Brotherhood as they come.

As I said, I think the reason a member (currently an ex-member, technically) of the Muslim Brotherhood was elected is that he was perceived as the lesser of evils, but not necessarily the most favorable choice in different circumstances.



I agree that many of the Muslim Brotherhood's decisions aren't exactly... 'ideal', but it seems to me that many Egyptian people want and would definitely allow Islamist parties to rule. Most members of parliament that were elected earlier this year by the people were from Islamist parties too, which is likely part of the reason some Copts and liberals chose not to partake in writing the new constitution and felt overpowered by their opposition (although one has to admit that their opposition at least appears to have been fairly elected and chosen by the majority of people).



I have some hope that Morsi is not the kind of person who would be a dictator, but only time will tell whether or not I'm right.

I have to admit that I'm not really holding my breath at this point, though. Things don't seem to be going well for the country in general.

I also have some hope in his character, He seemed to be adamantly opposed to Mubariks regime and promised the people it would be different. I wish his motives are pure and for good clear intentions and that the whole process would be sped up and the judicial system back in working order and the people can trust him again and work with him for the re-building of Egypt. I just do not see this hope or trust within the people right now, and I fear the rally on Tuesday will be catastrophic....

 

[Koldaramor]

Morsi must be given change. Because he deserve it. But under pressure from muslim brothers and religion in Egypt. IMO I don't hope so about it.

 

[Lady B]

I was just speaking to my great friend in damanhour Egypt and He said his eyes and nose were burning, then he recieved a call and told me a young teen was killed in rioting protests on the main street nearby, The protestors were attacking the muslim brotherhoods headquarters and both sides turned to violence, one dead, many injured....
الكتاتني: مقتل "إسلام" واستمرار البلطجة يؤكد أن هناك من يريد نشر الفوضى في مصر | الموجز This is the link he shared with me before going home to safety. It is a sad day when one loses sympathy for a people who started out fighting for basic human freedoms. I find myself so angry at the people I once cheered for and should be cheering for....

 

[Koldaramor]

So you think what should be in Egpyt

I was just speaking to my great friend in damanhour Egypt and He said his eyes and nose were burning, then he recieved a call and told me a young teen was killed in rioting protests on the main street nearby, The protestors were attacking the muslim brotherhoods headquarters and both sides turned to violence, one dead, many injured....
الكتاتني: مقتل "إسلام" واستمرار البلطجة يؤكد أن هناك من يريد نشر الفوضى في مصر | الموجز This is the link he shared with me before going home to safety. It is a sad day when one loses sympathy for a people who started out fighting for basic human freedoms. I find myself so angry at the people I once cheered for and should be cheering for....

 

[Lady B]

So you think what should be in Egpyt

I do not understand, are you asking a question?

 

[England my lionheart]

He wants an islamist country and he is no better then a dictator. All secular Egyptians who want a democratic country should be very scared.

I think this is the fear,remember the slogan "Islam is the answer" during the uprising ?,maybe they should have added "whether you like it or not",when its finnished the new constitution will make interesting reading and if the leaks are true (which are scary enough) i hope the Egyptian people get the referendum to accept or reject it .)(

 

[Koldaramor]

I do not understand, are you asking a question?

Yes I'm asked. I saw you have information about Egpyt. According to you, should give support to the Muslim Brothers and Morsi This way can democracy to Egypt.
Thans.

 

[Falvlun]

In all due respect: Morsi made the decree for genuine reasons, He just went the wrong way about it. The post Mubarik councels that were still in the judicial system were thwarting his every move towards Egyptian goals. So he made this decree temporarily untill the constitution is finished. I think he even forgets his past alliances and blindly assumed the people would be with him. The people are scared of a dictatorship and should be after the last 30 years, But I do not believe Morsi is intending this at all at this point and if this is his true ambitions, I trust the people of Egypt will never allow it to come now that they have tasted what freedom of speech and the rights to demonstrate can do for them and their country. Many think the Muslim Brotherhood is in majority in Egypt, it is not, The Majority wants to be free to work, earn good income, worship their God and provide for their families without extremism and without big goverment. God Bless them all.

That's about the way I see it too. It seemed like there were legitimate reasons for such a move, but I can completely understand why it would make people nervous, and how it could be abused if Mursi isn't honorable.

Does anyone know if he presented this to the people, tried to explain it, before he sprung it on them?

 

[Lady B]

Yes I'm asked. I saw you have information about Egpyt. According to you, should give support to the Muslim Brothers and Morsi This way can democracy to Egypt.
Thans.

I in no way give support to the Muslim Brotherhood,You surely misread me. I do not give support to Morsi's new decree at all. However I can have hope that he is acting in the best intrests of Egypt and I see no reason for the death and injuries that have ensued because of his act.That goes for both sides, the supporters and protestors. I love Egypt and one day will make my home there,Inshaallah, I actually had plans of being there right now, but because of the unrest and some issues at home, it is not a good time Obviously..

My hope for Egypt is that the people have better ways to protest against Government. I have said this many times to many Egyptian friends and the response seems to be " well what else can we do?" This is just outrageous to my ears that violence, killing and destroying property is all a people can do to be heard.

 

[Lady B]

That's about the way I see it too. It seemed like there were legitimate reasons for such a move, but I can completely understand why it would make people nervous, and how it could be abused if Mursi isn't honorable.

Does anyone know if he presented this to the people, tried to explain it, before he sprung it on them?

Good question. Yes he did approach the people Friday I believe and try to calm their concerns, but no one was really hearing him. He called the opponents thugs and said he will not take one side over the other when it is halting Egypt's progress. He feels this decree was necessary as a temporary measure and till now will not back down. Here is the link form Friday regarding his apearance.

Egypt's Morsi Defends New Powers Amid Protests

 

[Lady B]

An excerp taken from the link I posted :

​​President Morsi said his chief priority is to defend the goals of last year's popular revolution, accusing the courts of “issuing strange rulings” and trying to “manipulate the political situation.”

I am curious what the strange rulings were, does anyone know? I feel it would have been fair for Morsi to adress them specificly to show cause for his decree rather than make vague accusations. Let's say that the Judicial system ruled that the constitutional members were biasly leaning towards strict Islamic rule and needed to be tapered. Is this an example of a 'strange' ruling? :sarcastic

 

[F0uad]

First of all he did not call the polictical leaders thugs but the soccer/football Hooligans who cause much violent in Egypt they use the protests to cause violence.

Secondly the Majority still favours Morsi and you forget the notion that he had opponents at the first day when he took office such as the former Mubarak supports in the public and in offices.

Thirdly he himself said that there is no need to worry that Egypt becomes a Sharia-state he is more secular then you think.

The main isseus in Egypt arent fiancial based.

 

[Koldaramor]

I in no way give support to the Muslim Brotherhood,You surely misread me. I do not give support to Morsi's new decree at all. However I can have hope that he is acting in the best intrests of Egypt and I see no reason for the death and injuries that have ensued because of his act.That goes for both sides, the supporters and protestors. I love Egypt and one day will make my home there,Inshaallah, I actually had plans of being there right now, but because of the unrest and some issues at home, it is not a good time Obviously..

My hope for Egypt is that the people have better ways to protest against Government. I have said this many times to many Egyptian friends and the response seems to be " well what else can we do?" This is just outrageous to my ears that violence, killing and destroying property is all a people can do to be heard.

Okay I understand you. Thanks

insallah

 

[England my lionheart]

I don't see the new constitution comming through the referendum BBC News - Cairo's Tahrir Square fills with anti-Morsi protesters and reading the comparison between the old and the new you can see why BBC News - Comparison of Egypt's suspended and draft constitutions , such a pity that the MB got to power,still the referendum should be interesting.

 

[F0uad]

I don't see the new constitution comming through the referendum BBC News - Cairo's Tahrir Square fills with anti-Morsi protesters and reading the comparison between the old and the new you can see why BBC News - Comparison of Egypt's suspended and draft constitutions , such a pity that the MB got to power,still the referendum should be interesting.

There are some improvements in the new constitution there are probably also some that you wouldn't agree with. However i think they are not that different except for the Military, Media, Presidential mandate and some others. There are improvements.

 

[Lady B]

There are some improvements in the new constitution there are probably also some that you wouldn't agree with. However i think they are not that different except for the Military, Media, Presidential mandate and some others. There are improvements.

What media changes are there? The presedential mandate is just the limit of time for presedents to be maximum 2 four year terms right? what aout military? Do you have the inside scoop? I have been searching for this and I havn't found any legitamate updates yet....

 

[England my lionheart]

There are some improvements in the new constitution there are probably also some that you wouldn't agree with. However i think they are not that different except for the Military, Media, Presidential mandate and some others. There are improvements.

I agree there are simmilarities,i think its much more open to interpretation,it does seem like a missed opportunity for a new Egypt that is inclusive and not devisive,still nothings written in stone yet until the people decide.