Dutch Government censors David Icke (not allowed to come to Holland)

[9-10ths_Penguin]

With a Visa, of course

And are non-EU citizens entitled to a visa? Are they entitled not to have their visas revoked?

 

[Estro Felino]

And are non-EU citizens entitled to a visa? Are they entitled not to have their visas revoked?

Here
Do you need a visa for Italy? | Intrepid Travel.

 

[Estro Felino]

His main conspiracy theory that the world is run by a secret cabal of Jewish lizard-people.

Except for the weird "lizard" angle, it's pretty much the stock "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"-type antisemitic conspiracy theory about Jews undermining democracy and exerting evil, secret control on the world.

If it deals with a secret cabal, it is not Anti-Semitism.
Because Anti-Semitism is when you target an entire race, an entire nation, an entire religion.
Not when you speak against a very elitist group.

That's the juridical definition of anti-Semitism in my legal vocabulary.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Here
Do you need a visa for Italy? | Intrepid Travel.

You're kind of missing my point.

You identify as a right-wing nationalist, don't you? For someone like that, their antisemitism must run pretty deep for them to accidentally advocate for open borders just to let an antisemitic crackpot spread his ideas.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If it deals with a secret cabal, it is not Anti-Semitism.
Because Anti-Semitism is when you target an entire race, an entire nation, an entire religion.
Not when you speak against a very elitist group.

That's the juridical definition of anti-Semitism in my legal vocabulary.

Ha! Are you serious?

"Yes, there's a secret Jewish conspiracy of Jewish lizard-people secretly running the world, but not all Jewish people are involved, so I'm not an anti-semite!"

Give your head a shake.

 

[Estro Felino]

Ha! Are you serious?

"Yes, there's a secret Jewish conspiracy of Jewish lizard-people secretly running the world, but not all Jewish people are involved, so I'm not an anti-semite!"

Give your head a shake.

If it deals with very few people, it's not Anti-semitism.

Are you implying the no Jewish person has ever committed a crime in the history of mankind?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If it deals with very few people, it's not Anti-semitism.

Are you implying the no Jewish person has ever committed a crime in the history of humanity?

At this point, I'm just trying to decide whether I should be responding to you with pity or contempt.

 

[Nakosis]

No, watch the false accusations. The guy who was rightfully rejected does not think. Have you ever tried to apply reason when it came to the sort of claims that he makes? If so you would have been rolling on the floor with laughter at some of his beliefs.

Yes, I don't need the government for that.

 

[Nakosis]

Knowingly promoting lies should be illegal. And should remove ones right to free speech on a public platform for a period of time, specified by a court.

Lies and disinformation are an abuse of free speech.

Is A Lie Just Free Speech, Or Is It A Crime?

But when he claimed to have won the "Congressional Medal of Honor," that lie was a violation of the Stolen Valor Act, which makes it a crime to make false claims about receiving military medals.

Alvarez appealed his conviction and won. A federal appeals court struck down the law as a violation of the First Amendment guarantee of free speech.

 

[Estro Felino]

Is A Lie Just Free Speech, Or Is It A Crime?

But when he claimed to have won the "Congressional Medal of Honor," that lie was a violation of the Stolen Valor Act, which makes it a crime to make false claims about receiving military medals.

Alvarez appealed his conviction and won. A federal appeals court struck down the law as a violation of the First Amendment guarantee of free speech.

It's a binding precedent.
But Icke speaks of theories. A lie is when someone states something is the historical truth.

 

[Augustus]

But bottom line is "We have always had freedom of speech, only this time they ban someone to share his beliefs"

I remember many people on RF used to say "I don't agree with your beliefs, but I will protect your right to express them (in word) till I die"

Since Corona + brainwashing by government, there is little left on RF with "... protect your right to share your beliefs (a.k.a. free speech)"

It's not a free speech issue, it's border control issue.

No foreigner has the right to enter a country, especially not for the purpose of enriching themselves and promoting their ideology.

 

[stvdv]

anti-semitic conspiracy theorist isn't exactly desirable to anyone

That he is not

 

[Estro Felino]

It's not a free speech issue, it's border control issue.

No foreigner has the right to enter a country, especially not for the purpose of enriching themselves and promoting their ideology.

Surely. Each country decides what kind of enrichment they want to favor.
For example, I find Icke's books very inspiring and useful for the enrichment of my country.

 

[Estro Felino]

That he is not

Thank you for providing me with the video with subtitles.
Indeed: Icke does not promote Anti-Semitism, he is not a Holocaust denier.

 

[stvdv]

What does this have to do with free speech?

David Icke still has free reign to spew his nonsense. He's also free to complain to whoever will listen about how he feels about the government of the Netherlands.

Icke's free speech is intact.

I see that different

But no need to debate it, because if I am right then in a few years it will be more than obvious, and if you are right then in a few years we also know

 

[Nakosis]

It's a binding precedent.
But Icke speaks of theories. A lie is when someone states something is the historical truth.

So he is basically expressing his opinion.
The government is afraid of his opinion?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That he is not

I'm sure it's all true.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I see that different

But no need to debate it, because if I am right then in a few years it will be more than obvious, and if you are right then in a few years we also know

In a few years... after the Jewish lizard-people reveal their true form?

Sit down. Please.

 

[stvdv]

I believe such people should be jailed for spreading falsehoods that actually harm people.

Thank you for sharing your believe

 

[Estro Felino]

So he is basically expressing his opinion.
The government is afraid of his opinion?

It's about a term we often use in Europe.
La pensée unique.
La pensée unique: a freedom of thought conundrum