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Featured Does Your Religious Faith Require Data to Support It?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by SalixIncendium, Sep 22, 2022.

  1. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium Veteran Member
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  2. Truth in love

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    Usually be digging past the headlines.
    Often the “contradiction” is more fiction than real.


    At the end of the day I’ll trust God over men. Men tend to lie and make a lot of mistakes. God is beyond all that.
     
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    How do you know that God doesn't lie and make a lot of mistakes. Didn't God create man in His image?
     
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    Yes we look like God. Man is in a fallen state and tends to sin.
     
  5. SalixIncendium

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    So just looks? No behaviors?
     
  6. sun rise

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    It's impossible to write from a non-dual perspective. This is as close as I can come:

    A being "God" does not exist from my non-dual, advaita, perspective. The word "create" is misleading as well. There is no true separation between Divinity and creation only an illusion of separateness.

    In the whim of apparent duality was included the force of evolution that provided a direction leading to fully developed "souls" that we label human.

    In the play of illusion of duality, lies exist opposite truth. So since nothing is real but Divinity, saying "God lies and makes mistakes" is nothing more than Divinity in the form of an apparent player in the play of illusion apparently lies and apparently makes mistakes
     
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    The Quran offers this.

    Qur’án 67:3 “No defect canst thou see in the creation of the God of Mercy: Repeat the gaze: Seest thou a single flaw?”

    Regards Tony
     
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  8. rational experiences

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    Thinking.

    First parents twins. Brothers sisters and life bio equals. The same every nation. Walked out of spirit why they were all the same.

    Not developed from ground state in nation. Ground nation changed the owned bio genesis the teaching why.

    Water oxygen heavens was the same everywhere.

    Lived human family everywhere were mutual equal. Nation father mother exact. Same.

    Had sex. Mind knows balances. Expect two babies to replace them as they die.

    However baby grows then says the same. Population exploded by sex in heavens...I'm a God by sex says human mind.

    Memory Including use calculus goes back to first parent mind belief.

    Science self answers the population now will be eradicated. I'm informed. However always say only a small origin human group parent status will survive. They came from eternal.

    You however didnt as you came from human sex.

    Realise your mind is possessed by recorded image voice in state recording. State exists before biology possesses humans false advice.

    Brother in Rome mind burnt constant prickled aware like my life was caused to be aware. Said legally do not believe what the heavens medium tells you.

    I gained his teachings as the fall of the church. AI said so. As rock has been converted again.
     
  9. Brian2

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    Christianity is based on the truth of Biblical events, so without at least the possibility of the truth of those events, that data, there is no Christian faith.
    We Christians don't know if events happened, we believe they did and put our faith in God and Jesus because of that.
    Early Christians who knew the events of Jesus life, death and resurrection happened put their faith in God and Jesus because of that.
    Neil Tyson was vague enough to not know whom or what he was talking about and that makes it hard to judge what he said.
     
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    How do we look like an invisible God.
    Colossians 1:15
    He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

    Jesus here must be the internal image of the invisible God.
    This would be the same for Adam. He could not have been made to look like an invisible God.
     
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    Being made in the image of God does not mean we stayed in that image.
     
  12. rational experiences

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    Humans are first not religion or human scientific theories.

    Life is first.

    The bible said humans living on earth were living in the garden first. Having human sex is having human sex.

    Who did wrong? The baby in the sex act now man adult scientist. Looking back reasoning why life got hurt. From two parents natural life position. Ignored by most of humanity.

    Is human aware known teaching from our word reading.. so you can abstract other words to state known already without reading by my conscious position.

    Just a Human in nature.

    As humans discussed by words what science had caused. Isn't natural conscious owned spiritual mind. As the human.

    Aware in nature is nature's healing is our medical support. Not machine thesis about dusts or reactions...sought after.

    So I don't have to read the bible. It was a legal testimony about how and why human science in temple use pyramid first had changed life.

    However as human science is an obstinate liar. You forced me to read it as a human written book to explain why science is a liar.

    As religious text is a summary review of looking back upon what technology of men did to life on earth.

    As data inference is a need to add up calculate again yourself now and it's not science. It's realisation science had been involved.

    As men don't own the mass of earth in science. And men don't own heavens mass in science either.

    Cosmic space body does as natural law.

    Why I learnt to really not to like intellectual human behaviours. Quite nasty actually human observed.
     
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    O cell cooling is first just about human thought.

    O we own cells in biology only a human life the human. Not any god.

    G spiral flow in O cell. Chemistry in cell holding.

    O heat affects cell as symbol.... I ...so it splits DD.

    DD cooled become OO.

    Cell replacing cell position GOD in biology depends also on cooling gas heavens flow above.

    In holy water owning minerals we live as able to replace our human cell. By drinking water healthy water .....eating food....breathing water supply oxygenated.

    Without oxygen we die.
    Without cooled water we die as the ideas about holy healthy water. Produced heated water not gods cooling above the cell sick microbiology instead.

    Holy water our GOD for human cell...is exactly dependant on imaged cooled held by GOD above. O rotating spiralling cooling cloud body angels.

    Is a living humans aware explanation ....Satanists as scientists....never heat up any heavens above.

    Yet you spray nuclear chemicals above us yourselves. You make sun mass fall in burn gases that takes cooled water and ice mass. Saviour status.
     
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    No, it doesn't require data. Only experience.
     
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    Does Your Religious Faith Require Data to Support It?

    No, not for its core dogma.

    As for conflicts according to Agrippa's Trilemma all belief-system are unjustified as reasoned justification.
    So my faith works for me, because it makes sense to me, though it is not rational.
     
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    Does Your Religious Faith Require Data to Support It?

    NO

    Religion are pointers at Truth at best

    It requires Self Realization to Know Truth
     
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    Religion no more requires "data" than the study of literature does. If by "data" you intend to include texts, describing stories and ideas, then yes. If you mean data in the scientific sense, then self-evidently no.

    Conflicts in texts are either resolved by theologians, who may or may not agree on how to do it, or left as unresolved alternatives, in effect accepting there are things we do not know.
     
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    We are made in the image of God. (Gen 1)

    Christ looks just like Him. Christ did not have 9 arms not was he a formless being.

    True most people never see God in this life, but that does not take away from what is clearly taught. We are His children and look like Him.
     
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    Goldemar A queer sort

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    Birth defects?
     
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