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Does God take humanity seriously?

839311

Well-Known Member
Our planet has seven billion people, many of whom are starving, or caught in civil wars. Others who live in wealthier parts of the world are greedy and corrupt, only caring about themselves. There are diseases that kill, and diseases that cause billions of people suffering and irritation. Natural disasters sometimes takes the lives of hundreds of thousands of people, some with families and young children. Wars take the lives of millions. Genocide millions more.

While all this is constantly happening, God does nothing. He doesn't lift a finger to stop a natural disaster. He doesn't intervene in genocides, and millions are butchered. Drought stricken countries don't get rain, and while God could make it rain, he doesn't.

But, we are told that he really does care! He sends us prophets once in a while. So, while we could really use some food in areas where people are starving, or maybe have God eliminate disease from the world, God's idea of helping us out is to send a prophet who will tell us how great and powerful of a guy he is. Gee... thanks.

But, he also allows the creation of hundreds and thousands of mutually exclusive religions to form on earth! How do we know which ones are telling the truth? It would be nice if God came down and told us once and for all, maybe by giving a press conference on video. But has he showed up? No. He is content to let humans remain confused and ignorant as to what he wants, and being forced to resort to faith in one religion or another. Wow, how lucky we are!

He seems content to allow the world to continue to be populated by the stupid, evil, cruel, violent, foolish, and insane, to name but a few of the messed up folks we are so blessed to have on our world - and, God is content to allow genocides, natural disasters, wars, famines, floods, droughts, to name but a few of the massive list of problems that plague our species...


She's got the power to help us, but she doesn't. Does God take humanity seriously, at all? Does she care?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Theodicy has been done to death in this forum.

"Momma's gonna check all your girlfirends for you. Momma won't let anyone dirty get through. Momma's gonna keep baby safe and warm...
Momma, did you have to build the wall? Momma did have to be so high?..."
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
But what if God made us to suffer? So that we could grow stronger.
Ah yes. The virtue of suffering.

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"The makeshift-hospital at the school is using the playground as mortuary. The trauma suffered by the people and the medical staff was described as worse than what was experienced in the aftermath of the Tsunami that hit the same area." source

So what is it these people, especially the dead, gain through their suffering?

Care to change places with any of them so you too could grow stronger?
 

839311

Well-Known Member
Its just numbers like which is taken as *games/labels* by all; nothing to be serious about!

I don't think equating pain, suffering, genocide, and natural disasters to just numbers that shouldn't be taken seriously is a good approach. Pain and suffering are very real, and often times very unpleasant.
 

Reptillian

Hamburgler Extraordinaire
As long as one's soul is taken seriously, then why worry about the temporary nature of one's mortal existence?

That right there is the attitude that bugs me in some religious people. "Why solve our problems and alleviate suffering in the here and now when we've got an eternal soul and an afterlife of bliss to look forward to?"
 

839311

Well-Known Member
But what if God made us to suffer? So that we could grow stronger.

I think the argument that suffering causes us to grow has some good points. The problem is a matter of degree. For instance, a light amount of suffering might create a situation where the benefits outweigh the negatives. But, an extreme amount of suffering would not. And theres plently of extreme suffering out there.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
I think the argument that suffering causes us to grow has some good points. The problem is a matter of degree. For instance, a light amount of suffering might create a situation where the benefits outweigh the negatives. But, an extreme amount of suffering would not. And theres plently of extreme suffering out there.

So starving to death makes a person stronger? I think it does the opposite.
 

Road Warrior

Seeking the middle path..
Because it can be extremely painful.

So is surgery, growing up, high school and lots of other of life's events.

I think most atheists use the argument of God not interfering with mankind as proof of God's nonexistence. OTOH, the events described are, indeed, in conflict with the common modern Christian belief of a personal God.

I, for one, believe in a higher power but not a "personal God".
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
While all this is constantly happening, God does nothing.

Actually, it's the gods doing these things in the first place. They're not all fluffy bunnies, cute kitties, and pretty rainbows. Contrary to popular belief, the gods aren't here to serve a single species on a small planet amongst trillions upon trillions of stars and planets in the universe. They also do not necessarily have moral dimensions; many of the gods are amoral. It's humans that stomp their feet and complain "injustice!" when the universe (unsurprisingly) fails to revolve around them and serve their every need. Perhaps humans need to stop being so egomaniacal.
 
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