Does God Exist?

[OneThatGotAway]

Shabath Shalume,

Scientists have tried to make "humanzees" using artificial insemination but have failed every time. Even the very ape-like fossils that we find have the ability of bipedalism, less protruding facial features, more tooth enamel, larger brain size, shorter arms to body, etc. This could not have been a result of random mutations in one or ever a few generations of apes. It takes at least thousands of generations to get all of these with natural selection and small mutations.

Well, apparently you have not seen Joseph Carey Merrick (1862-1890), Englishman known as "The Elephant Man" because of his physical appearance caused by a congenital defect. Had he existed 5,000 years ago, I would not be surprised to read science journals describing his bones as thousands of years of generation (evolution) from a non-human to another type of human.

"And where is the DNA evidence showing a connection between humans and primate in this fossil (or any fossils) such as the Peking man, Java man, or Neanderthal man?" ---- OneThatGotAway

Well, we do have the neanderthal genome which is very simmilar to human DNA but different. Even without the DNA, the bones are good enough.

The bones present does not established a connection from one hybrid man-ape form to a closer type of man. Freaks are not a new thing; they too existed thousands of years ago. Scientists are reluctant to put that into their equation.

"Super freak! Super freak!" ---- Rick James :guitar1:

 

[outhouse]

Shabath Shalume,



Well, apparently you have not seen Joseph Carey Merrick (1862-1890), Englishman known as "The Elephant Man" because of his physical appearance caused by a congenital defect. Had he existed 5,000 years ago, I would not be surprised to read science journals describing his bones as thousands of years of generation (evolution) from a non-human to another type of human.

"And where is the DNA evidence showing a connection between humans and primate in this fossil (or any fossils) such as the Peking man, Java man, or Neanderthal man?" ---- OneThatGotAway



The bones present does not established a connection from one hybrid man-ape form to a closer type of man. Freaks are not a new thing; they too existed thousands of years ago. Scientists are reluctant to put that into their equation.

"Super freak! Super freak!" ---- Rick James :guitar1:

at this point all i can do is feel sorry for you. Sad thing is there are others like you

 

[buddhadev]

yes for sure from my side God does exist.

 

[buddhadev]

[SIZE=-1]The belief in an external world independent of the perceiving subject is the basis of all natural science. Since, however, sense perception only gives information of this external world or of "physical reality" indirectly, we can only grasp the latter by speculative means. It follows from this that our notions of physical reality can never be final. We must always be ready to change these notions—that is to say, the axiomatic basis of physics—in order to do justice to perceived facts in the most perfect way logically. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]-Einstein:yes:[/SIZE]​

 

[Orias]

A Buddhist quotes a Pantheist?

[SIZE=-1]The belief in an external world independent of the perceiving subject is the basis of all natural science. Since, however, sense perception only gives information of this external world or of "physical reality" indirectly, we can only grasp the latter by speculative means. It follows from this that our notions of physical reality can never be final. We must always be ready to change these notions—that is to say, the axiomatic basis of physics—in order to do justice to perceived facts in the most perfect way logically. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]-Einstein:yes:[/SIZE]​

 

[Dan4reason]

Whether it exploded or expanded is a moot point: Such a event does not produce ordered systems and the earth like what we see today.

The big bang did not produce the earth, it simply produced matter. It was gravity that gathered the matter into stars, and the stars themselves that created higher elements. When stars exploded, these higher elements got trapped into the orbits of other stars and with gravity, formed planets.

What ordered systems are you referring to? The universe is not as ordered as it seems being composed of space dust, comets, asteriods, huge gas clouds, black holes, dark matter, anti-matter, etc.

Mankind have not observed an always eternally existing matter and/or energy expanding from a point of origin.

Actually the big bang says that matter has not always existed.

We have evidence that the universe is expanding with other galaxies growing more distant from earth. Even more stunning, the farther away a galaxy is from earth, the faster it seems to be moving away from our planet.

If the earth were a point in this expanding balloon of a universe, the points farther away from this point in the balloon should seem to be growing more distant faster than to points nearer to the earth. This supports the idea of a universe expanding from a single location.

We have not witnessed the entire process because humanity has only existed for a few hundred thousand years, while the universe has been around for 14 billion years.

The earth is delicately balance with unmatched properties to sustained life as we know it.

That is due to life's ability to adapt to conditions in the environment through natural selection and mutations which we see in micro-evolution and not so much with the environment itself.

We do not know how many possible types of life can exist in this universe, but at least this DNA-RNA-protein-carbon based type can only exist in a certain set of planets in any practical models even if we factor in life's ability to adapt in harsh environments. Since there are billions of planets, there is bound to be one which can support life as we know it in at least one form, and at least one of those planets is earth. If conditions change, life will adapt.

But the explosion of a dynamite is what the Big Bang Theory is describing. No such explosion or expansion does not achieve orbital motions; nor has it been scientifically proven.

The explosion of dynamite is simply the analogy given to the big bang. The big bang can be more accurately described as the expansion of a balloon. If you actually look at what the theory is claiming, it is not ripping matter apart like an explosion, and it is not flinging matter through space, the space matter exists in is simply expanding. The dynamite analogy should not be mistaken for the idea it is meant to represent, or else it becomes a strawman.

 

[Dan4reason]

Shabath Shalume,



Well, apparently you have not seen Joseph Carey Merrick (1862-1890), Englishman known as "The Elephant Man" because of his physical appearance caused by a congenital defect.

Merrick's condition represents a major change to his body. In almost all cases, diseases or mutations which cause major changes all at once to individuals does heaps of harm because the change is too widespread to do anything good to a very delicate intricate body. What you need in order to create bipedalism are small mutations over thousands of generations or more. Since these small changes are limited in scope there is a higher probability that individually they will increase survival chances. Natural selection will weed out the bad mutations so that they do not degrade the population over millions of years. So over time, we see new traits being expressed in a population over thousands of generations.

An abnormality on the order proteus syndrome which Merrick had could not have produced any benefitial trait like bipedalism in a chimpanzee because big mutations simply cannot produce the complex systems that would be required for bipedalism in one generation.

Had he existed 5,000 years ago, I would not be surprised to read science journals describing his bones as thousands of years of generation (evolution) from a non-human to another type of human.

The fossilization rate is extremely low, so most likely he would not have been fossilized. What is strange is that in the lower strata, all the ape fossils we see are non-human. When we go higher, we start seeing bipedal apes along with non-bipedal apes, then we start seeing bipedal apes with larger brains, then very-ape-like humans with expressed facial features and small brains, then less and less ape like humans, until eventually we start seeing homo sapiens.

Freak diseases do not explain the progression of the fossils in the fossil record, nor the dominant number of ape-like hominids we see in earlier strata, however evolution does. It is unlikely that any "freaks" would be lucky enough to fossilized at all due to their small proportion, much less be the dominant fossils in early strata.

The bones present does not established a connection from one hybrid man-ape form to a closer type of man. Freaks are not a new thing; they too existed thousands of years ago. Scientists are reluctant to put that into their equation.

"Super freak! Super freak!" ---- Rick James :guitar1:

If you are to debunk the whole field of anthropology with a disease conjecture, please do it with a disease that actually exists. Attacking hominid evolution with hypothetical diseases that create ape-men is not science and does not deserve consideration from the scientific community because it has no evidence.

Simmilarly, claiming that the big bang is debunked because the universe is complex is also unscientific because we have no evidence that it is.

 

[diosangpastol]

as for me, God has not left His name etched onto the surface of planets. However, there is abundant evidence that the universe was designed by super intelligent Agent, who purposed that the universe should exist and be capable of supporting advanced life. The design of the universe is just one line of evidence that God created the universe. The design of the earth and solar system is also quite impressive. Likewise, chemistry and physics preclude the possibility that life evolved on earth. In addition, human beings are remarkably different from every other animal on earth, suggesting a departure from naturalistic processes.

 

[outhouse]

there is abundant evidence that the universe was designed by super intelligent Agent

there is no such evidence anywhere but in your imagination

The design of the universe is just one line of evidence that God created the universe

the universe isnt designed for life, were lucky to be here, the universe is designed more for black holes then anything else.

human beings are remarkably different from every other animal on earth, suggesting a departure from naturalistic processes

this is your lack of education speaking nothing more.

we have never departed from nature in any way shape or form

we are not remarkably different. We are still violent creatures who are not even very civilized. As long as man has existed he has not been able to control his anger. We still have allot of animal left in us, as all omnivores do

 

[Dan4reason]

The design of the universe is just one line of evidence that God created the universe.

Sure there are patterns in the universe, but where is this "design of the universe" you speak of?

The design of the earth and solar system is also quite impressive.

Again, there are patterns in the solar system, but these phenomena do not necessarily require mythology to explain them, and much in the solar system is fully explainable through natural causality.

Likewise, chemistry and physics preclude the possibility that life evolved on earth.

Really. Could you produce this evidence for us?

Evolution have evidence from the chimp and human genome. Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes while apes have 24. It is most likely that our last common ancestor (LCA) had 24 pairs of chromosomes and humans lost a pair. If this is true there must have been a chromosome fusion a long time ago with one pair of ape chromosomes fusing together. If this is true we should be able to compare the human and ape (using the chimpanzee's) chomosomes and see which humans pair is very simmilar to the combination of two ape chromosomes.

Chromosomes have telomeres at the ends and if they fused, the resulting chromosome should not only have telomeres in the ends but telomeres in the center and that is exactly what we see in human chromosome #2. We even know the exact point of fusion that the two ape pairs that fused. You can learn more from this short very interesting video by Dr. Ken Miller who testified in the Dover trial about teaching evolution in schools. This information was presented in the trial.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk

In addition, human beings are remarkably different from every other animal on earth, suggesting a departure from naturalistic processes.

We have hundreds of hominid fossils showing that humans evolved from ape-like ancestors. We are also 98% genetically the same as chimpanzees, our closest living relative. We have almost all the basic anatomical and genetic elements of other mammals in this planet, are almost exactly the same as other apes, and are even more simmilar to hominids such as Homo erectus and Homo Heidelbergensis.

 

[never say never]

Well if u dont believe in God....Explain the chicken and the egg.....No baby could ever possibly rear itself

 

[Orias]

Sure there are patterns in the universe, but where is this "design of the universe" you speak of?

I believe the Architect holds it

 

[McBell]

Well if u dont believe in God....Explain the chicken and the egg.....No baby could ever possibly rear itself

Chickens lay eggs.
Wow.
That was incredibly easy.
Got anything else?

 

[diosangpastol]

the universe isnt designed for life, were lucky to be here, the universe is designed more for black holes then anything else.

Have you reached the farthest ends of the universe to say the universe isnt designed for life ??

we have never departed from nature in any way shape or form

we are not remarkably different. We are still violent creatures who are not even very civilized. As long as man has existed he has not been able to control his anger. We still have allot of animal left in us, as all omnivores do

I agree, nature is in the highest degree of organization/order and is under one law from which it will never depart.

Humans are not remarkably different from animals in terms of biological/material composition. Like all living/things composed of atoms, the human body is subject to material sustenance and decomposition. Humans’ exhibition of the physical senses is the same as the animals.

But, humans are remarkably different from animals in terms of perception, rationality, comprehension, understanding, latent capacity, potentials ….. and all other attributes only the kingdom of man possesses. Minerals, plants and animals kingdoms are deprived of (do not possess) these attributes.

 

[PolyHedral]

Have you reached the farthest ends of the universe to say the universe isnt designed for life ??

Yes. The universe is a cold, dark, dead, incredibly hostile place. The vast majority of it will kill any living thing within 30 seconds. The majority of the remainder is nuclear fusion reactor, which is also not particularly hospitable. Even adding together all of the planets across the entire galaxy would be just a minute fraction of the galaxy as a whole.

 

[McBell]

Have you reached the farthest ends of the universe to say the universe isnt designed for life ??

Have you reached the farthest ends of the universe to say the universe is designed for life ??

But, humans are remarkably different from animals in terms of perception, rationality, comprehension, understanding, latent capacity, potentials ….. and all other attributes only the kingdom of man possesses. Minerals, plants and animals kingdoms are deprived of (do not possess) these attributes.

Source Please.

 

[Erebus]

Well if u dont believe in God....Explain the chicken and the egg.....No baby could ever possibly rear itself

I suspect this is a Poe, but I'm going to give an answer anyway.

At some point in history a creature would have been born that was infinitesimally different from its parent, but still different enough for us to consider it a chicken and its parent something else.
Since this very first chicken hatched from an egg, the egg came first

Oh and by the way. This came from Steven Fry himself. Disagree with me... you disagree with Steve...

 

[Dan4reason]

Humans are not remarkably different from animals in terms of biological/material composition. Like all living/things composed of atoms, the human body is subject to material sustenance and decomposition. Humans’ exhibition of the physical senses is the same as the animals.

But, humans are remarkably different from animals in terms of perception, rationality, comprehension, understanding, latent capacity, potentials ….. and all other attributes only the kingdom of man possesses. Minerals, plants and animals kingdoms are deprived of (do not possess) these attributes.

Many hominids had these same mental abilities.

 

[diosangpastol]

Source Please.

If animals can understand the life of humans, animals could have learned from humans on how to govern the affairs of animal kingdom so as how do humans’ knowledge carry forward an ever-advancing civilization. (Same applies to mineral kingdom and plant kingdom)

If animals can understand how human mind works, they could not have allowed humans to do all the wrong doings inflicted unto them.
Animals are subject to the mercy of human understanding.

Animals live the same way the way they live the life from time immemorial. The ants’ life of teamwork had been the same from then on. Without human intervention, animals just keep living the same – the cycle of the predator and the prey.

Animals never taught nor told humans how to love, to be compassionate ….. animals just keep living without being conscious of what it was and is doing, they live the way they are and they don’t have to understand and analyze and reason out, or else they could have lived like ‘the confused’ humans.

If ever humans understand and realize that animals are expressing altruism, it is not because animals understand altruism and inform humans and demonstrate altruism to humans; but because humans understand, and it is humans who are telling himself/herself ‘yeah this behavior of animals is what is called altruism’.

If human understanding is dependent on animals or if humans learn from animals, then we could have had cows as professors. Train a monkey, it will do exactly what you what it to do without complain, defiance yes but reasons no.

If ever an animal shows wickedness, it does not mean that animal is fiend. If ever human shows wickedness, then you decide what kind of human that is…

More:

Science had proven that animals attained the perfection and perfected the greatness of the use of the five senses and they possess unparallel strong physique.

If animals understand, they could have wiped out the entire human race. They could have devised a more strategic defense other than going around bewildered and causing stampede. Some animals perfected a nocturnal life, even with just that defense humans could have died of insomnia. Imagine if ants understand, they could exterminate an entire town. Anyways

Thank goodness animals can’t understand, or else there won’t be a human race at the very moment humans exist.

Or, maybe animals understand and they pity humans that they grant humans the privilege to live.

Animals hold the key to and own the greatness of physical power; what about humans?



Can insect undersatnd humans ....

I can reconstruct my reply if you have questions.

 

[David M]

But the explosion of a dynamite is what the Big Bang Theory is describing. No such explosion or expansion does not achieve orbital motions; nor has it been scientifically proven.

No its not, it has been explained to you why the big bang was nothing like a dynamite explosion.

You demonstrate nothing but your own ignorance by repeating this.

"And where is the DNA evidence showing a connection between humans and primate in this fossil (or any fossils) such as the Peking man, Java man, or Neanderthal man?" ---- OneThatGotAway

You are obviously unaware that the Neandertal genome has now been sequenced. It shows that not only are Neandertals extremely close to humans genetically (more so than humans are to chimps) but that Neandertals and humans interbred in a limited fashion a long time ago.