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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
But you'll have to wait until Passover.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
I'm not surprised by your condemnation of people expressing opinions that differ from yours.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
You're being optimistic. A nice change of pace, but here misplaced.
metis and I have been doing this for years and I don't think we can stop.... unless you know of a Jokesters Anonymous that has a 10 step program. I'd go for a 12 step program, but metis is old.... -oops, I mean mature - and I don't think he can count higher than the number of fingers.
jaybird
Member
i have read about the ring before. its hard to understand. i thought the All High gave all wisdom to Solomon so his animal relationship would be covered under that. the ring on the other hand would mean the power is in the ring and not part of Solomon.
i always thought this was interesting cause of the way animals communicate with each other. its not the same as we communicate. they seem to be able to reed each others thoughts. like a big school of fish will move as one unit, how does the fish on one end know what the fish on the other is doing but they do.
jaybird
Member
you obviously have spent little time in the slews of east Arkansas. we have a brown wabbaseka cypress that can kill a man in five seconds just from walking under it.
rosends
Well-Known Member
A quick review seems to indicate that the wisdom of Solomon allowed him to have control over animals by virtue of the ring and understand them simply because he is given the wisdom.
Tumah
Veteran Member
Isn't that part from the Qur'an? Its under the part called "Arabic literature" and the Qur'an is a reference.
rosends
Well-Known Member
It sort of looks it (I can't tell if the attribution is for the specific parable or the entire ring concept). The medrash on Esther says he spoke the language of the birds, I recall the "Stories of King Solomon" from the Jewish Press in which he spoke to insects and I have seen mention that he even spoke to the trees and stones and water etc but that seems to be more about being attuned to nature. But I haven't gone back to the source material (and gave away my Legends of the Jews many years ago).
Tumah
Veteran Member
Haha, I used to read those stories in the JP too.
I think the ring was just for controlling sheidim. If you look at the gemarah in gitin 68a, it kind of seems like it wasn't the ring itself, but the fact that it had the Shem HaMeforash on it like the chain. I'd guess that Shlomo knew the Shem and put it on a ring for easy use. I think speaking to trees was a chochmah. There's a gemarah in sukkah 28a about Hillel. If you have a ben Yehoyada from the Ben Ish Chai available, he has a little piece on it with a how to.
rosends
Well-Known Member
I don't have time to how-to on that one. I have to make a calf to eat for shabbos.
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Tumah
Veteran Member
I guess you're making a full size cow, as you're starting three days early.
rosends
Well-Known Member
I thought of that when I wrote it. My only response could be that I started making one right after shabbos...if another gets made that is better, then great. But now I'm crossing gemaras.
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strangely enough, this question just came up on mi yodea
http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/73059/shamai-hazakein-buying-for-shabbos-all-week
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
How does it do that? I never heard of this before.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The human-line/ape-line separation appears to have taken place somewhere around 6 million b.p., based on both the fossil record plus the results of genome analysis. As for me, I don't take the Adam/Eve (the Fall) narrative as being history.
Moishe3rd
Yehudi
Sure.Could someone please tell me what is the difference between the Jewish faith embodied by the Law of Moses and the "traditional Judaism" we see today?
Were the "traditions" a later addition, and if so what traditions were added that were not found in the Mosaic Law?
Thank you in advance.
The Jews received both the Written Torah and the Oral Torah from G-d on Mt. Sinai.
The Written Torah is what is often called the First Five Books of the bible; or the Five Books of Moses; etc.
The Oral Torah is the explanation of the Written Torah.
This was passed on from Moses to Joshua and the Elders and then the Jewish People for over 1,000 years until the Destruction of the Second Temple where this was all in danger of being lost.
Over several hundred years, this Oral Torah was written down in the form called the Mishna and then the explanation of the Mishnayos called Gemora. At some point in time, this all came together in what is called the Talmud or Shas.
Over the centuries; additional commentaries and insights on the Torah; the Talmud; the other Writings and the Prophets, have been written and analyzed by the Great Rabbis for the last 2,000 years.
Some of these commentaries are now included in the Talmud.
All of this body of knowledge has been analyzed and codified in the last 400 years or so and written down in compendiums of Jewish Law.
All of this, and much, much more, is what comprises Orthodox Jewish observance today.