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Do you believe in Caste-System ?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by chinu, Aug 23, 2014.

  1. chinu

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    Do you believe that some humans have more human-rights than others due to their Caste ?

    If No, Than its Okay.
    If Yes, Than why ?
     
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    Nope. Princes and paupers and everyone else are all equals. I see no reason it should be any other way.
     
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    No I don't. Humans should have equal rights, full stop.
    I can understand that some may have additional privileges such as if you are a king or the president or something but a privilege is distinct from a 'right'.
     
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    Not caste system - but I think it is natural/inevitable that some individuals, families, groups, etc. will have more resources and prestige than others.
     
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    No. Caste is a terrible and animalistic standard to impose on a fellow being.

    According to one Hindu writer, the Brahman “caste system was soon discovered to be a very effective instrument of domination and exploitation, for keeping the people ignorant in order to make them submissive, and for keeping them weak by increasing divisions among them.”—The Menace of Hindu Imperialism, Swami Dharm Theertha, 1946.
     
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    Hi Chinu... :)

    The caste system seems to be dreadful.
    I read reports of low castes getting very bad treatment from police, etc.
    I don't know how the caste system still exists.....
     
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    No I don't. But I do believe some people are more suited to do certain things than others. Individuals vary.

    Also, caste isn't unique to Hinduism in India. It's practiced in most communities, and unfair treatment based on something illogical (age, gender, race, economic class, for example) is everywhere in varying degrees.
     
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  8. chinu

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    All the above posters have high thinking.

    Thanks to all the above posters :)
     
  9. atanu

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    Varna-asrama dharma is core of Hindu dharma, emanating from the Vedas and a Hindu should be able to explain it. Removing the concept of varna from Hinduism actually renders it an alien dharma.

    Statement of a principle is not equal to evil implementation of that principle. Einstein should not be held responsible for dropping of nuclear bombs on Japan.

    Understanding of varna entails understanding of Guna, Karma, and Reincarnation first. Guna is quality of Nature (mind) and Karma is work. Nature of Mind and the Works determine together the placement of one in society, including the circumstances of one's birth in a particular situation. Finally, varna is 'VEIL', created due to Mental nature and Karma.

    The fundamental teaching of Hinduism is that the pure Mind is none other than the Brahman, the highest God. Yet, in nature, the purity is veiled due to preponderance of particular Guna-s and particular works.

    The theory of Varna is not a description of static category system. But it is an explanation of why one is as one is and then it is prescription of how one can come out of the quagmire.

    Hindu dharma recognises this as natural play and recommends most suitable paths for different kinds of people and that constitutes varna asrama dharma.


    A summary and links for more detailed reading are given below:

    More can be read at:

    Varna Ashrama Dharma - Hindupedia, the Hindu Encyclopedia

    I will welcome questions and will try my best to clarify doubts. It is my understanding that dharma does not prescribe evil. Dharma recognises the potential for evil acts and protects us by imparting wisdom.
     
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    There is race, and there is racism. There is caste, and there is casteism. One shouldn't confuse the two, in either case.
     
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    Yes. Racism is built upon hatred of the other.

    I understand that OP is about caste system and not about casteism. Caste System, i suppose is varna system, in Hindu language. So, IMO, we should understand, guna, karma, and re-incarnation too.
     
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    Yes, if it means we will eventually end up in a pure socialist society, which a caste system, Im assuming, wouldn't support.
     
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    I think it's wrong to apply the term 'caste' to the Varna system. The fact that Indian society has shifted the original system into a caste system does not mean that the Varna system is a caste system. Since caste is based on heredity or the marrying into a social class while Varna dictates that one's occupations in life are determined by his own nature/predispositions and not by what others say he must be.
     
  15. atanu

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    As expained above race system and racism are two different things. Similar caste system and casteism are different.

    Actually word is Varna (veil), which is a product of Guna (mental quality) and Karma (works).
     
  16. atanu

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    Actually this interpretation is not correct.

    In Gita, Shri Krishna teaches that those who, despite the natural differences and apparent separateness, see sameness everywhere and also see all separate things as strung on a single thread, SEE.

    Such Seers, it is said, attain the ultimate peace.

    So, the teaching is not about highlighting the natural disparities but is about diving deeper and reaching the sameness.
     
  17. atanu

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    Actually, some humans, born in certain way, may have more responsibility than others.

    Mis-use of a birth status is not taught in varna ashrama dharma.
     
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    Unfortunately, all too often I see them getting confused, especially by uninformed people telling one of the common anti-Hindu myths.
     
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    I believe that this factor works against all religions yet this also affords us an opportunity to clarify doubts ... At least for those who have peaceful minds. At least a few people will see.:)
     
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    Caste...............

    Gang rape exposes India′s violent caste system | Asia ...
    www.dw.de/gang-rape...caste-system/a-17676877
    Deutsche Welle
    Jun 2, 2014 - Gang rape exposes India's violent caste system ... According to the police, on Tuesday May 27, the two cousins, aged 14 and 15, went missing ...
     
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