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What do you mean by "inherently in God?"There is no path “to” God, for we are, by virtue of being part of the created order, inherently in God.
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What do you mean by "inherently in God?"There is no path “to” God, for we are, by virtue of being part of the created order, inherently in God.
God is life. We are all made of the substance of God.What do you mean by "inherently in God?"
For example, the Bible is not a science book and yet it accurately revealed that the earth hangs on nothing. (Job 26:7) When most people believed the earth was flat, the Bible said it was round. (Isaiah 40:22)
You just proved my point. Unless if you are saying that acting in ways that God doesn't approve is the path to God, I don't see why you would disagree.Oh no! But because of our Free Will, i.e., our ability to make wise and stupid choices, we can act in ways that Jehovah God doesn’t approve.
I believe that no path leads to God. God is near us already nearer than the breath we breathe. If you find God it's because he found you.Only paths/religions that teach kindness, love, justice, goodness is important is a path that lead to God.
Paths/religions that do not teach that kindness, love, justice, goodness is important is not a path that lead to God. Religions/paths that teach violence, hate is important is not a path to God.
Any thoughts? What do you believe about this?
Got any sources, please?Only paths/religions that teach kindness, love, justice, goodness is important is a path that lead to God.
Paths/religions that do not teach that kindness, love, justice, goodness is important is not a path that lead to God. Religions/paths that teach violence, hate is important is not a path to God.
Any thoughts? What do you believe about this?
It is a Baha'i belief that God is closer to us than we are to our own selves, and that just reminded me of a passage that expresses it. Where it says "That some are near and others are far is to be ascribed to the manifestations themselves" that means that how close or far we are from God depends upon us, and it is the waywardness of the heart that causes us to be far from God, and condemns us to remoteness from Him.I believe that no path leads to God. God is near us already nearer than the breath we breathe.
Of course kindness, love, justice, goodness is important .Only paths/religions that teach kindness, love, justice, goodness is important is a path that lead to God.
Paths/religions that do not teach that kindness, love, justice, goodness is important is not a path that lead to God. Religions/paths that teach violence, hate is important is not a path to God.
Any thoughts? What do you believe about this?
Has God created the thoughts ,actions, deeds ,lifestyle, Job and all the decisions you have made up till now ? Or are you freely choosing ? Are you responsible?Why would God create something that isn't on the path to Him?
The Bible does not say the earth is flat and of course it wouldn't since God created the earth and knows full well its shape. The shape of the earth, as revealed by God to the prophet Isaiah, is indeed a circle or sphere. This fact contradicted the popular and erroneous idea of mankind during that time that the earth was flat.Agreed, the bible is not a science book.
Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Isaiah 40:22
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Sorry, Flat Eath Theory is not science. And the bible revealing such an "accurate" depiction of a pseudoscientific theorized earth, can be easily explained. Since the bible is a collection of religious texts written in the past and being something sacred to members of its religion, it's not surprising to see a modern day pseudoscientific theory that resembles descriptions from the bible.
Here's a visual aid to help you out. The earth is flat and in the shape of a circle held up by nothing, as it was accurately depicted in Job and Isaiah verses that you picked.
Learning and thinking tip:
Careful with pareidolia, it may seem like it's going help your argument, but can easily be turned on you and totally refute your argument as well.
Just as a secretary writes the letter, the message came from the one who dictated it. In the same way, the author of the Bible is God, not the men he used to physically write it. God guided them to write his thoughts. (2 Peter 1:21)I not believe that the Bible was 'authored' by God. I believe that it was authored by men inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Perhaps these prophets has visions that had accurate information in them but the earth is not a circle, it is a globe. The Bible did not reveal scientific facts as we know them to be true today.
I don't know anything about that.
I agree with you about that. Bible prophecy has and is all coming true down to the smallest detail. The prophecies for the return of Christ have all been fulfilled and the prophecies pertaining to the messianic age are in the process of unfolding, since we entered the messianic age in 1844 AD.
God wants what is best for us but the Bible does not say that there is one road leading to God. All true religions lead to God, although God would prefer we take the new road rather than the old roads because those old roads were built for former ages.
Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
When Jesus said that Christianity was the narrow gate that led to life, when there were very few Christians in the first centuries, but Christianity is no longer the narrow road that leads to life because about 30% of the world population is now Christians. Given that Christianity is now the largest religion in the world, Christianity is no longer the narrow road that leads to life.
I believe that the Baha'i Faith is now the small gate and the narrow road that leads to eternal life in this age. The Baha’i Faith and is the narrow gate because only a few people recognize God’s new religion in the beginning and enter through that gate.
In every new age, the religion at the narrow gate is the new religion God wants us to find and follow, and it is the gate that leads to eternal life. But it is not that easy for most people to find this gate because most people are steeped in religious tradition or attached to what they already believe. If they do not have a religion, most people are suspicious of the new religion and the new messenger. If they are atheists they do not like the idea of messengers of God or they think they are all phonies.
Jesus told us to enter through the narrow gate, the gate that leads to eternal life, and Jesus said few people would find that gate... It is narrow, so it is difficult to get through... It is difficult to get through because one has to be willing to give up all their preconceived ideas, have an open mind, and think for themselves. Most people do not normally embark upon such a journey. They go through the wide gate, the easy one to get through – their own religious tradition or their own preconceived ideas about God or no god. They follow that broad road that is easiest for them to travel.
Is a circle flat? Yes it is. Is a sphere flat? No it isn't, that's why in Isaiah, it says "circle" and not "sphere."The Bible does not say the earth is flat and of course it wouldn't since God created the earth and knows full well its shape. The shape of the earth, as revealed by God to the prophet Isaiah, is indeed a circle or sphere. This fact contradicted the popular and erroneous idea of mankind during that time that the earth was flat.
The Bible is not the only revelation from God that ever existed or that will ever exist.The Bible does teach there is only one road that leads to everlasting life.
Regarding Matthew 7:21-23, nobody except God knows who God will accept as having done His Will.The Law that was given to the Israelites acted as a tutor leading to the Christ (Galatians 3:23-24) Christians are now under the law of Christ. On the road leading to everlasting life are those obeying Jehovah God and doing his will. Many religions say they are Christian, but prove false to this claim because they do not do God's will. Instead they teach people to worship God in a way he does not accept. (Matthew 7:21-23) Jesus said you will recognize those who worship God the right way by their fruits or works. (Matthew 7:16-17)
The prophet Isaiah wrote under inspiration Isaiah 40:22.Is a circle flat? Yes it is. Is a sphere flat? No it isn't, that's why in Isaiah, it says "circle" and not "sphere."
The prophet Isaiah wrote under inspiration Isaiah 40:22.
Speaking from the viewoint of Jehovah, who dwells above the circle of the earth,
And that in no way implies the earth or moon is spherical. It's nothing more than just you putting things we know today about the earth into bible verses.the earth's face would have a circular form just as the edge of a full moon presents a circular appearance to us. That in no way implies the earth or moon are flat.
I think one possibility is that God knew the earth was spherical but the words of Isaiah do not represent the words of God since there is no proof that Isaiah actually wrote the Old Testament scriptures.So God himself didn't know that the earth was spherical or did he simply lied about the earth being a circle? Or the more probable answer, you were twisting scripture in order for it to fit your argument.
The Bible is inspired of God (2 Timothy 3:16-17) and the prophecies contained in it have and are all coming true because God cannot lie.The Bible is not the only revelation from God that ever existed or that will ever exist.
I do not believe that belief in Jesus is the only way to everlasting life and I have my doubts that belief only in Jesus will confer everlasting life, now that Baha'u'llah has come. Baha'u'llah promised everlasting life to His followers just as Jesus promised everlasting life to His followers. I believe in both Jesus and Baha'u'llah so I am covered.
John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
“O My servants! Whoso hath tasted of this Fountain hath attained unto everlasting Life, and whoso hath refused to drink therefrom is even as the dead.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p.169
“No man can obtain everlasting life, unless he embraceth the truth of this inestimable, this wondrous, and sublime Revelation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 183
Regarding Matthew 7:21-23, nobody except God knows who God will accept as having done His Will.
Read in context, Matthew 7:16-17 refers to the fruits of the prophets, not to the fruits of the believers.
Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Fruits: the pleasant or successful result of work or actions: fruit
No, God does not lie. The prophecies for the return of Christ were all fulfilled in the mid to late19th century. There is nothing to wait for anymore. The Kingdom of God on earth is not coming down from heaven at some future date, nor will an earthly Kingdom be orchestrated by Jesus from heaven, as Jesus said that His Kingdom of not of this world (John 18:36-37). What humanity needed to build the Kingdom of God on earth was revealed by Baha'u'llah in His Writings and that Kingdom is in the process of being built by humans right now.The Bible is inspired of God (2 Timothy 3:16-17) and the prophecies contained in it have and are all coming true because God cannot lie.
Everlasting life to a Baha'i means coming to know Baha'u'llah who God sent in 1852 with a new Revelation from God, and to obey all the ordinances He has revealed.Everlasting life means coming to know Jehovah, the only true God, and the one who he sent, Jesus Christ. (Psalms 83:18) (John 17:3)
The love of God to a Baha'i means that we obey God and do his will and exercise faith in Baha'u'llah and all the other Messengers of God, including Jesus.The love of God means that we obey God and do his will and exercise faith in the ransom of Jesus that Jehovah provided. (1 John 5:3) (John 3:16)
God has appointed nobody to judge because only God can judge anyone. We are presently living in The Day of JudgmentJehovah has appointed Jesus to judge the entire inhabited earth as to who have and have not done his Father's will as detailed in the scriptures. (Acts 17:30-31)
Indeed God desires us to listen to what He revealed through Baha'u'llah and recognize Baha'u'llah before it's too late so that we may enjoy everlasting life.Jehovah God, our Grand Instructor, deeply desires us to listen to him before it's too late so that we may enjoy everlasting life. (Isaiah 48:17-18)
At Isaiah 40:22 the Hebrew word chugh here translated as "circle" may also be rendered as "sphere." (A Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures, by B. Davidson)So God himself didn't know that the earth was spherical or did he simply lied about the earth being a circle? Or the more probable answer, you were twisting scripture in order for it to fit your argument.
And that in no way implies the earth or moon is spherical. It's nothing more than just you putting things we know today about the earth into bible verses.
I was willing to help you climb up out of the hole that you dug yourself into, but apparently you would rather keep on digging deeper. If there is a God, perhaps it was he who sent me to rescue you but because you chose your own ego over God, you missed your opportunity at experiencing one of God's work. You do know that heaven is above you, right? And what lurks below?