Kelly of the Phoenix
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If God is truly omnipresent, being with God is the default and only option.Only paths/religions that teach kindness, love, justice, goodness is important is a path that lead to God.
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If God is truly omnipresent, being with God is the default and only option.Only paths/religions that teach kindness, love, justice, goodness is important is a path that lead to God.
Though I find it odd why one would want darkness to see the light. That's like let me experience trauma to get to spiritual awakening. If you all object to no darkness on earth why/how would you be comfortable with such in a heaven (per context)?
I’m reminded of when God tells Peter not to insult His creation by calling it unclean.Why God would disapprove of anything He created?
For many people, trauma is precisely what does lead to a spiritual awakening. It seems we often have to go through the darkness, to get to the light. I don’t know why it has to be that way
In one of the first chapters of the Bible — Genesis 3, to be exact — we’re told why God isn’t stepping in, right now. If you read the account and think about it with an open mind, you’ll see that Jehovah God’s sovereignty was challenged, and the only way for the issue to be settled, was to let mankind rule themselves without His intervention, to make their own rules & do their own thing. That would take time! Although, He did foretell a “Seed” in Genesis 3:15, which would be “bruised in the heal”, prophesying the Messiah....Jehovah protected & intervened in the nation (the Israelites) which was chosen to produce him, but Jehovah hasn’t interfered or stepped in other group’s affairs... only in protecting the Messianic line, until he (Jesus) arrived.
When those issues were raised in the G of E, Jehovah knew He would have to limit His interaction with mankind... but He didn’t leave those who trusted in Him completely; that’s why He’s given us His Word, a ‘letter from a loving Father’, which can guide our steps, if we let it. (Proverbs 3:5-6) And it provides other information we need, That’s why those who worship Jehovah grasp why He’s not stopping bad things from happening right now.
But soon, He will step in: God has set an “appointed time “ when He will bring justice and set matters straight.— Revelation 11:18; Ephesians 1:10
We’re to pray for “Thy will” to be “done on Earth”. Matthew 6:9-10 That means it’s not being done now. And hasn’t been since A&E’s creation. So when you think about it, that makes God the most patient Being ever.
Light can blind us to the truth. You can’t see the galaxy until it is night.It would be if people didn't want darkness. But when I say why not be with god without the dark to me it seems they are so comfortable with dark they can't see life without it.
What would they do in an all light world?
(Makes me think maybe that's why lucifer wanted to split. Like others, he just can't live with just the light. He needed freedom to sin.)
If you get my insight
But we would not purposely say we need trauma (or darkness) to experience spiritual awakening. Majority of us who gone through it would mostly likely say no.
But many do say trauma or not they need darkness as with the light. Whether they experienced darkness or not it sounds like a contradiction or irrelevant need for pain to experience light.
Find your light but don't ask for pain as a means to receive it. We learn from "uncontrolled" painful experiences but what youre sayjng is we need them. I totally disagree. Who would say sonekbe sexual abused need to be abused to experience awakening?
That's how I read your other post but less extreme example.
Light can blind us to the truth. You can’t see the galaxy until it is night.
So.....why? Based on what reasoning?Yes.
Humanity would be far better off if we ignored such admonitions and took matters into our hands. Religion and its rules stand in the way of progress. If God doesn't want to intervene, then I believe we'd be better off if we operated as if He doesn't even exist at all.
They have been. In fact, in the past couple centuries, the Bible’s been more ignored than ever.
Do you think people’s attitudes are better now, or worse?
Do you find more cooperation in the world, more unity?
If you think so, why?
I see more chaos....more dysfunctional families & more mental illnesses....more greed and selfishness.
You’re probably looking at things through the lens of technology....
Technology is great, it leads to an easier lifestyle, and medicine has advanced, but these improvements tend to blind people to how bad the state of society really is. There are more social problems than ever before!
If you can’t see it, then you don’t want to.
But adhering to the Bible’s guidelines would help improve people’s attitudes towards each other.
I’m part of an over-8.5-million-strong worldwide group that has proven it works. Proverbs 3:5-6
I hope you have a great day.
Prohibiting these acts and agreeing that they're morally wrong are things that humans can do on their own, without any God to tell them this.
Why do think that all robots can't choose?There are robots that humans created for sorting out good apples from bad ones. And robots that can play chess and choose to make whatever moves it wants to make.God crated humans and free will. Why? Because God do not want to force us to love Him. God wants us to choose for ourselves. If God had created us without free will then we would have been like robots. To force someone is not love.
Why would God create something that isn't on the path to Him?
If that's the case, then are you saying that "free will" in itself, it the path away from God?Because of Free Will.
Are there those who hurt & kill innocent ones? Do you think they’re on a path to please God?
Has the existence of God confirmed? Or a case of 'much ado about nothing'?Only paths/religions that teach kindness, love, justice, goodness is important is a path that lead to God.
Oh no! But because of our Free Will, i.e., our ability to make wise and stupid choices, we can act in ways that Jehovah God doesn’t approve.If that's the case, then are you saying that "free will" in itself, it the path away from God?
Humans.If god is all good, where does bad come from?
Why wouldn't God be all good, just because God created us with free will? What's bad about that?So god is not all good then.
But the Bible is not the only holy book that has ever been written.The Bible does not teach that there are many paths or religions that lead to God.
That is a distinct possibility, and it will be at God's discretion.I’m hoping they do let a few scoundrels in.