Did Jesus say he was God???

[Hevenly Heathen]

Ok... Are we not all sons and daughters of God? God made him for a very specific purpose and sent him down with more knowledge, but he was born of woman.
I am confused still, perhaps because to me I don't care if he were human or deity -nor am I Christian, Ex, but no longer. Why such importance on one persons lineage? Why not just practice what he taught and be done.
Does any denomination hinge on his deification? Will it tear the Heavens if he were an average Joe but more intelligent?

Edit: We all have the divine within us, we are all divine.
From all I've read, Jesus never actually stated his divinity.

 

[David69]

Jesus is part of God IMO

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Edit: We all have the divine within us, we are all divine.
From all I've read, Jesus never actually stated his divinity.

Isn't Jesus divine in the sense that his Father was divine?
John 10:36 Jesus believed he was God's Son.

At Revelation 3:14 b Jesus said that he was the beginning of the Creation by God.
Colossians 1:15,16 calls Jesus 'firstborn' in the heavens.
Everything else is through Jesus.
God is Un-begotten. Jesus as firstborn is only-begotten because everything else is through the heavenly pre-human Jesus before coming to be born on earth.

 

[Ba'al]

Isn't Jesus divine in the sense that his Father was divine?
John 10:36 Jesus believed he was God's Son.

Why would Jesus believing he was God's son mean he was divine like his father?

God is Un-begotten. Jesus as firstborn is only-begotten because everything else is through the heavenly pre-human Jesus before coming to be born on earth.

We know Jesus had a pre-human state before being begotten. Haven't we all? Do you believe there is only Jesus and God in spirit and the rest are all lowly humans? What I'm asking is, why does Jesus having a pre-human state claim his divinity as the father?

 

[David69]

Why would Jesus believing he was God's son mean he was divine like his father?
We know Jesus had a pre-human state before being begotten. Haven't we all? Do you believe there is only Jesus and God in spirit and the rest are all lowly humans? What I'm asking is, why does Jesus having a pre-human state claim his divinity as the father?

Because he is part of him!!!

 

[Ba'al]

Because he is part of him!!!

Nothing is separate or independent from God. Hence, we are all part of God.

 

[David69]

Nothing is separate or independent from God. Hence, we are all part of God.

why does Jesus having a pre-human state claim his divinity as the father?

So maybe thats what he meant then!!! Jesus is a part of God.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Why would Jesus believing he was God's son mean he was divine like his father?
We know Jesus had a pre-human state before being begotten. Haven't we all? Do you believe there is only Jesus and God in spirit and the rest are all lowly humans? What I'm asking is, why does Jesus having a pre-human state claim his divinity as the father?

Divine as in heavenly. Jesus Father was divine or heavenly and so was and now again is Jesus.

Adam did Not have a pre-human existence according to Genesis.
Adam was made from the dust of the earth.
Adam did not become a living soul (Gen 2:7) until after he received the breath of life. At death Adam became a dead soul and returned to the dust.
Adam went from non-existence back to non-existence.

Just like angels, before they were created in the heavens they had no pre-angelic life. They did not exist anywhere. Angels home is heaven. Human home is earth.
Angels were never people. Angels have no pre-human life just like people have no pre-angelic life. Separate creations: One is heavenly. One is earthly.

Jesus was unique being 'firstborn' >in the heavens (Col:1,15). Jesus was the only-begotten Son >in the heavens. Also the one-and-only heavenly Son of God to be born a human on earth. Jesus had No pre-human nor pre-heavenly existence 'before' he was created >in the heavens as the beginning of the creation by God according to Rev 3:14 B.

 

[Ba'al]

We had no spiritual existence before being human?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

We had no spiritual existence before being human?

Right. Like Adam had no spiritual existence before he was created from the dust of the earth. Adam had no existence anywhere. Just like angels had no existence anywhere before they were created in the heavens.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Divine as in heavenly. Jesus Father was divine or heavenly and so was and now again is Jesus.

Adam did Not have a pre-human existence according to Genesis.
Adam was made from the dust of the earth.
Adam did not become a living soul (Gen 2:7) until after he received the breath of life. At death Adam became a dead soul and returned to the dust.
Adam went from non-existence back to non-existence.

Just like angels, before they were created in the heavens they had no pre-angelic life. They did not exist anywhere. Angels home is heaven. Human home is earth.
Angels were never people. Angels have no pre-human life just like people have no pre-angelic life. Separate creations: One is heavenly. One is earthly.

Jesus was unique being 'firstborn' >in the heavens (Col:1,15). Jesus was the only-begotten Son >in the heavens. Also the one-and-only heavenly Son of God to be born a human on earth. Jesus had No pre-human nor pre-heavenly existence 'before' he was created >in the heavens as the beginning of the creation by God according to Rev 3:14 B.

As far as Yeshua in relation to any other (Son of God) he, like the angels, get their start or creation if you will, from their god in heaven. As far as the NT is laid out, the difference was instead of "God" sending Yeshua as he did with his angels......he sent Yeshua in human form. That's it. The word "begotten" is so ambiguous that there appears to be a multitude of interpretations and none of them seem to fit the "actions" of the biblical "God" or the biblical "Yeshua". Earlier gospels did not view Yeshua as begotten by "God". This is solely the interpretation of the writer of John who may have taken the idea from Paul considering Colossians was written before John. The writer of John could have been a follower of Paul's....

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yeshua in relation to any other son of God (Gen 6:2,4) he like other angels got his start as the 'only-begotten' Son of God in the heavens. The rest are Not 'only' begotten, but all the rest heavenly or earthly are 'through' Jesus.- Colossians 1:15,16.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Yeshua in relation to any other son of God (Gen 6:2,4) he like other angels got his start as the 'only-begotten' Son of God in the heavens. The rest are Not 'only' begotten, but all the rest heavenly or earthly are 'through' Jesus.- Colossians 1:15,16.

Again, it depends on your interpretation of the word "begotten". I interpret it as (The only born) of sons of "God". This is in line with the exegesis of the word. It's actually in line with actions laid out in the NT. Out of all the heavenly creations....the biblical Yeshua is the (the only one born) to a human parent.

 

[Poet-Troll]

The question was did Jesus say
That he was God upon a day.
I read the Gospel through and find
No statement there of such a kind.
I read the Qur'an through and see
That he denied divinity.

 

[look3467]

"Begotten"= be gotten = meaning from something other than what is.

In the case of Jesus "begotten" means brought forth from something other than life.

As in death the first begotten from the dead.

After Jesus are all begotten from that state, which is the present condition of all humanity as is.

A rebirth is therefore necessary to be, begotten from th state of death to the state of life.

Jesus as God, representative of the power of God, and "God alone" can beget children from the dead.

Blessings, AJ

 

[Dirty Penguin]

"Begotten"= be gotten = meaning from something other than what is.

In the case of Jesus "begotten" means brought forth from something other than life.

As in death the first begotten from the dead.

After Jesus are all begotten from that state, which is the present condition of all humanity as is.

A rebirth is therefore necessary to be, begotten from th state of death to the state of life.

Jesus as God, representative of the power of God, and "God alone" can beget children from the dead.

Blessings, AJ

That's why I said it depends on one's interpretation of the word. My definition is actually from a lexicon. Yours seems to be opinion based.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

The trinity concept is not unique to Christianity.

 

[David69]

everybody has different sides to them.. So people like orthodox jews beleive that Gd only is one side to him? IMO the trinity are parts of one.

 

[Muffled]

G-D having a body is pagan also. Judaism does not support G-D having a body, You will never find anywhere in Tanakh that G-D showed Him self in any kind of image, because it will instantly become an idol.

That is nothing more than Jewish hype on the image commandment. There is the burning bush. Of course there is also God's bodily visit to Abraham before the destruction of Sodom. Just because you don't believe in it doesn't mean it isn't there. If you had Jesus as Lord and Savior you would be able to see the truth instead of all the sinful attitudes you have towards God.

 

[JMorris]

That is nothing more than Jewish hype on the image commandment. There is the burning bush. Of course there is also God's bodily visit to Abraham before the destruction of Sodom. Just because you don't believe in it doesn't mean it isn't there. If you had Jesus as Lord and Savior you would be able to see the truth instead of all the sinful attitudes you have towards God.

lol, precious moments