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Democrats Caught Making Fake News, Planting False Flags

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Nous, Jan 12, 2019.

  1. Nous

    Nous Well-Known Member
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    NY Times has reported that Democrats employed Russian-style fake news and false flag efforts during the 2017 contest between Roy Moore and Doug Jones.

    I link to Newsmax stories here, which provides links to the Times pages, because many people often run out of NY Times stories each month:

    https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/a...nth=12&date=19&id=895206&oref=www.newsmax.com

    Less than a month after The New York Times reported on a left-leaning effort to help the Democrat in the race — Doug Jones, who won the election and is now a senator — by mimicking efforts on social media that Russia is accused of doing in 2016, the Times published a story Monday that discussed another stealth operation on Facebook and Twitter.

    The most recent report details a Facebook page and Twitter account called "Dry Alabama," which, according to the Times, was full of images that depicted car crashes and videos of families speaking about the negative effects of drinking alcohol. It claimed to be lobbying for a statewide ban on alcohol sales.

    The Facebook page was set up to appear as if Baptists who supported Republican Roy Moore were behind the effort. By trying to align Moore to the group, the Democrats tried to take votes away from the former judge.​


    https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/a...=01&date=07&id=897214&oref=r.search.yahoo.com

    Undoubtedly such "fake news" and false flag efforts are constitutional to print. I have three and a half questions that do not bear upon that constitutional issue:

    Do you support such intentional lying generally in the context of elections?

    Do you support political candidates participating in any way in such intentional lying in the context of an election?

    Do you support foreign nationals or other governments perpetrating such fake news in the context of an election in order to influence the outcome? If no, do you support an investigation into such a matter?
     
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  2. TheresOnlyNow

    TheresOnlyNow The Mind Is Everything. U R What U Think

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    Ah, Democrats being Democrats. CAUGHT!
    I love it. And reported by the Leftist rag Soros funded, influenced, NYTimes no less.
     
  3. Sunstone

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    It's a pity the Constitution protects this sort of thing. It should be illegal, regardless of who is doing it.
     
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    You think Republicans are above these kinds of shenanigans, eh?

    For just five thousand dollars, I can get you a great deal on a bridge in Brooklyn. No need to thank me. Your happiness is thanks enough.
     
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  5. Nous

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    Pretend there is no First Amendment, and state the law that would prohibit such acts.
     
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    Democrats being politicians.
     
  7. Nakosis

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    It doesn't matter whether I support it or not since power is the name of the game. While I'm not a big fan of either party if I knew of a politician engaging in such tactics I wouldn't vote for them. However if I had a vested interest in one party over another while I wouldn't much like the politician personally I would probably see it as being more important that "my" party won the election. The agenda of the party the agenda which you support than individual ethics if you want to further that agenda.

    We get idiots in politics not because they are role models but because they will vote for the correct agenda.

    You want to investigate? Sure how's that going? Maybe a few minions get thrown to the wolfs but but no one with any kind of political power.
     
  8. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Heathen Libertarian Capitalist
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    I like your neologism.
    I've invented a few myself today.

    Aw, dang!
    You changed "politivian" to "politician".
     
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  9. Sunstone

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    I said it should be illegal. I didn't say it was practical to make it illegal. That would involve being able to write some pretty precise law, I'd think. And I'm not sure that it's possible to write a law or laws that could not be used as political weapons. But I do think that ideally such behavior should be illegal.
     
  10. Audie

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    Pretending you did not read the first sentence of
    the post you are answering?
     
  11. TheresOnlyNow

    TheresOnlyNow The Mind Is Everything. U R What U Think

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    Of course not. However, the Democratic party on the Hill and in the public arena, especially partisan broadcast networks, have plummed to the greatest low under this president. And in order to undermine his presidency, office, the country, the American people as a whole, and the future of this nation itself.
    All because they collectively preferred serial felon and traitor to take the highest office.

    The Democratic party members responsible in this avenue of reprehensible conduct, sedition, are enemies of this country. They demonstrate they have no moral fiber, no moral character, no common sense, no honor, no integrity, and are purveyors of lies, criminal pursuit, and sustain and defend criminality, sexual indecency, (the Congressional "hush fund" for sexual misconduct pay-offs) and treason, when they didn't impeach, then have arrested, BHO & HRC.
     
  12. Nous

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    Just between you and me, in the particular case of Jones vs. Moore I find myself seeing the fakery as not so horrible, not due to allegiance to party but because Moore is so disgusting.
     
  13. Revoltingest

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    Before doing that, let's consider a mechanism to catch these
    wrongdoers in the act. Exposing them would mitigate their effect.
    This partial solution might be the best.
     
  14. Revoltingest

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    I'd love to accuse you of hypocrisy, but stated as
    a personal feeling, this is pretty darn reasonable.

    Btw....
    Does anyone else get the feeling that his name,
    "Roy Moore" is the perfect name to be preceded
    by "Hanging Judge"? He just reeks of old west
    flavored evil.
     
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    From what I understand the FCC kept this under control for a time. I'm not sure how they did it or whether it was constitutional or not.
     
  16. Father Heathen

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    This is politicians being politicians. An honest person would denounce such deceitful practices regardless of who had committed them rather than pretend that "their side" can do no wrong but then squeal with delight when "the other side" gets caught. Don't be two-faced.
     
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    I agree. Such dung has no place in politics.

    Now I'm not waiting for the right to denounce the mountain of such dung they've produced. Life's too short. But I wanted to note in passing that we're willing to denounce our own when some of us do such things. But where's the right outrage at the right's misdeeds?
     
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  18. TheresOnlyNow

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    Realizing you can't help but to avail yourself of any opportunity to call names, if you actually cared to read me you'd see I acknowledged this practice is possible among the Right.

    Give your reading comprehension skills a work out and let your (not so) smart mouth take a vacation.
     
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    The only problem with that is that as disgusting as Moor is, and that is putting it a bit mildly, that approach justifies the Republican actions in the last election.

    It would be all but impossible to make illegal but perhaps there is another solution. It looks like both parties will need to be scouring social media for such false flag attacks in the future and be ready to demand air time to dismiss them.

    Perhaps the next strategy will be false false flags, I think a whole new can of worms has been opened up involving social media.
     
  20. Nakosis

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    IMO to obtain any kind of political power requires some degree of corruption in the US. If you look deeply enough into any successful politician you will likely find something. While there maybe a few naive politicians who try to be honest and ethical I doubt they will get very far.

    I don't know what is wrong with us, too much self interest which makes it easy to manipulate the voter probably. So if you want to win, you have to manipulate the masses. Blame the politicians, blame the voters, blame ourselves for being human I suppose.

    Sure I'd like to support the honest, ethical politician but this never seems to be what is offered. So you support whichever party seems to be moving the country in the direction you want.
     
  21. It Aint Necessarily So

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    I support the idea of the Democrats taking a page out of the Republican playbook and using the same methods to defeat them that were deployed against themselves these last many years, that is, do whatever marginalizes, weakens, or discredits the Republicans. The Democrats should systematically demean and villainize all prominent Republicans as the Republicans did to Bill Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Daschle, Pelosi, Reid, Obama and Hillary - they're all automatically depicted as horrible people with no honor or integrity whatever the case actually may be..

    I think that they should use language calculated to damage the Republicans in the tradition of far left radical extremist liberal (there was no other kind), Trump Derangement Syndrome (all Trump detractors are irrational), Crooked Hillary, etc., using words such as hostage, tantrum, undemocratic, ransom, terrorism, racist, un-American, demagoguery, despotic, treasonous, medieval, liar, etc. to describe Trump and the Republicans.

    I think that they should do everything possible to win elections in the tradition of gerrymandering, disenfranchisement of conservative voters, and disseminating effective disinformation.

    And they should completely exclude the Republicans from governance wherever possible as the Republicans did to the Democrats during many of the congressional hearings, for example, as where Democrats were not allowed to participate in choosing the way the committee conducted business, chose witnesses, nor help write reports or have any say in what is released.

    The Republicans have sacrificed forbearance, viewing the opposition as legitimate and loyal to America and its principles, and democratic principles in general. The Democrats cannot afford to continue reaching out to such people, nor considering them fellow anythings. They're enemies, and they need to be defeated by any means available.

    No, these are not the values or methods that I would choose for the Democrats and Republicans, but they are the ones that the Republicans have chosen, and they have been bludgeoning the Democrats with them for decades now, beginning with the original witch hunt directed at Bill Clinton, and most recently with the attacks on Hillary Clinton including Benghazi, email-gate, and Uranium One. I say to give the Republicans a steady does of the same to make the point that such behavior carries consequences, and to damage them as much as possible. So far, the Democrats might as well have been walking around with a "Kick Me" sign taped to their backs.

    How about the 2016 presidential election and the Republican dirty tricks? By your argument, the Democrats were justified in returning the favor to the Republicans.
     
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