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Darwin's Theory of Evolution and Darwinism Has Led To The Holocaust And Genocide Of Blacks

james bond

Well-Known Member
Social Darwinism has only the name "Darwin" in common with evolution.

1). Using evolution as a rationalization for eugenics or genocide is (obviously) evil because it tramples on the rights of individuals.

2). The politically correct overreaction to [1).] has stifled any scientific investigation into what actual differences there are between the races/sexes.

As usual, people are scared of the painful truth. :)

It has Darwin in it because it was fueled by the scientific racism of Darwin's ideas. Why else would he take their slogan, "survival of the fittest" and feature it prominently in his best selling science and biology book (starting with the fifth edition)?

I didn't write The Descent of Man. Darwin did. His ideas are archaic now, not to mention the pseudo-scientific racism.

What we know from science and not political correctness is Darwin was wrong about many of his ideas, especially his racist ones.

It seems you're the one in pain and not I. The truth hurts I suppose.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
Well, crap, you used the word "thus." I thought I was reading a steaming pile of cognitive bias, logical fallacies, and laughably ridiculous rhetoric. But, apparently, since you used the word "thus," I was actually reading what was supposed to be some kind of serious argument.

Ha ha. You can read, comprehend and make conclusions now? Have you evolved that far?
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
The facts are Darwinism led to social Darwinism and fascism by the Nazis.
No it didn't.
The notions about superior races and such came from Christian culture, and existed long before Darwin was born. The violent ruthlessness of Scripture was just put into a pseudoscientific context by people other than Darwin misinterpreting his book.
This is all easy to establish if you are interested in the Truth.
Tom
 

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
You are delusional.

Typical leftist response, attempt intimidation through the ad hominem logical fallacy--name calling to you.

Fascism is nationalism, and authoritarian in nature. It has NOTHING to do with socialism.

Yes, and the best known example is fascism, NAZIsm (the German National Socialist Worker's Party). The difference from communism is that the government controlled the means of production instead of owning them outright. And as all examples of socialism show, they inevitably lead to authoritarian governments, from Hitler, Stalin and Mao, to Castro, Pol Pot.

AND everyone knows that claiming that the nazis are socialistic is believing their own rhetoric... They CLAIM that they are socialistic. You are believing them. :D

Ah, another logical fallacy, the "everybody knows" justification. As Gandhi (and I) have said, the Truth is a majority of one. In any case, see below.

Oh and still: You are the only person i have EVER witnessed ANYWHERE to make the claim that nazis are left wing. Or that fascism is left wing. And the sad part is that you somehow believe that making such insane claims somehow strengthens your argument... Your stance is plain and simple: Absurd.

More attempts at intimidation from someone coming from the inbred environs of academia, media and the power establishment. And I'm the one making insane "claims".

Can you, by any chance, make an argument where you don't automatically imply that everyone who doesn't share your particular political stance has something to do with nazis? It makes your "side" look like dumbasses.

...and it continues. The painful truth of my responses are there for all to see.

Why would I do that?

What? You pointed out what would prompt a professor to buy you a beer as an example of how reasonable and open minded they/you are. While I showed what results in something more negative, which is undeniable, and results in your equivalent reply of "Huh?", above.

Considering those socialist roads are what I take to get to school, why would I criticize it? Especially considering that I promote Socialism? But I've heard some criticize it, and it wasn't the end of their academic career and there were no repercussions.

Capitalism is what provided your education. But unfortunately, academia, using crisis management and exploiting genuine evil, runs the curriculum.

Fascism is not socialism and the National Socialists are but one version of Socialism, one that tends to not be very popular among Socialists.

I not only criticized them, I told one professor that going to Democratic Party meetings would require me to become a Democrat, which is something I'm just not willing to do.

Judging by your positions, they would probably assume you're a Green or something even more radial. Try tell 'em you're becoming a Republican or a Christian--neither of which am I defending.

Why would I criticize that?

I dunno, the pursuit of the painful truth?

The more controlled the study, the less difference. It actually gets studied quite abit.
And to give you a more recent example, just this last Monday I criticized Priests/Pastors who who only tell their flocks of the good passages of the Bible while completely ignoring the passages where God commanded the unborn be ripped from the womb. I've also called religion the "true nihilism" a few times.
Short of being an inflammatory ******* and/or intentionally mean, I don't know what else to do to try to provoke this "wrath of the college free speech censors."

You're kidding. Like I said, tell them you're a Christian and see what happens then. And I'm sure, if you're otherwise still a liberal, they'd try to the soft-sell first. They'll never give up the con, which isn't even socialism, but establishment power, which socialism does the best job of enabling.

It has Darwin in it because it was fueled by the scientific racism of Darwin's ideas. Why else would he take their slogan, "survival of the fittest" and feature it prominently in his best selling science and biology book (starting with the fifth edition)?

I didn't write The Descent of Man. Darwin did. His ideas are archaic now, not to mention the pseudo-scientific racism.

What we know from science and not political correctness is Darwin was wrong about many of his ideas, especially his racist ones.

It seems you're the one in pain and not I. The truth hurts I suppose.

This from Wikipedia is probably going to be painful to read:
"Social Darwinism is a name given to various phenomena emerging in the second half of the 19th century trying to apply the evolutionary concept of natural selection to human society. The term itself emerged in the 1880s. The term Social Darwinism gained widespread currency when used after 1944 by opponents of these earlier concepts. The majority of those who have been categorized as social Darwinists did not identify themselves by such a label."

As for the Descent of Man, what we're seeing is Darwin's speculation on the differences between the races and sexes, overlaid with the liberal politically correct template, which automatically stifles any applicable scientific inquiry--which is still in force to day. Look no further than the example of the president of Harvard I mentioned, which was handled in typical liberal style--don't listen, shut him up.
Why women are poor at science, by Harvard president
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
The facts are Darwinism led to social Darwinism and fascism by the Nazis.
The main problem here is that you've not shown that to be the case. You've not shown one example of Nazis justifying their atrocities by appealing to Darwinism.

OTOH, you've been provided examples of Hitler justifying his atrocities against Jews by appealing to Christianity and the Bible.....

“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.” [Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]

“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.” [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]

“What we have to fight for…is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.” [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 125]

“This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief.” [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.152]

“And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God.” [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.174]

.....but you chose to ignore them. That doesn't reflect very well on you or your faith.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yes, and the best known example is fascism, NAZIsm
Fascism and Nazism are not the same or interchangeable.
What? You pointed out what would prompt a professor to buy you a beer as an example of how reasonable and open minded they/you are. While I showed what results in something more negative, which is undeniable, and results in your equivalent reply of "Huh?", above.
I think you're just not wanting to accept this "free speech killing" is not a typical college experience.
Capitalism is what provided your education.
Pel-Grants and other grants that don't have to be paid back have. That's socialism.
Judging by your positions, they would probably assume you're a Green or something even more radial. Try tell 'em you're becoming a Republican or a Christian--neither of which am I defending.
I'm a known Commie. And, trust me, there are many Republicans and Christians here. Lots of Christian clubs too. I don't see this harassment or anything going on. If anything, I can't even go to a Secular Student Alliance meeting without a Christian misunderstanding my views and calling me a Nihilist.
I dunno, the pursuit of the painful truth?
Again, why would I criticize someone for speaking? Myself, I've no doubt I've read more right-winged literature than I have left.
Like I said, tell them you're a Christian and see what happens then.
There are no shortage of Christians where I go, and some who are very vocal about in philosophy classes when the course material covers an anti-religious philosopher. One girl even admitted to being a Christian despite having never read the Bible.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
A massive misrepresentation. Concerns voiced by Sanger while bringing education and assistance to black communities was about just this sort of misunderstanding and jumping-the-gun to the assumption of social genocide.

Almost spit out my afternoon coffee. Please let me enlighten you.

"At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the "black" and "yellow" peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as "scientific" and "humanitarian." And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America's human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains." These "strains" included the "shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South."

Not to be outdone by her followers, Margaret Sanger spoke of sterilizing those she designated as "unfit," a plan she said would be the "salvation of American civilization.: And she also spoke of those who were "irresponsible and reckless," among whom she included those " whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers." She further contended that "there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped." That many Americans of African origin constituted a segment of Sanger considered "unfit" cannot be easily refuted."

...

"Sanger's obsession with eugenics can be traced back to her own family. One of 11 children, she wrote in the autobiographical book, My Fight for Birth Control, that "I associated poverty, toil, unemployment, drunkenness, cruelty, quarreling, fighting, debts, jails with large families." Just as important was the impression in her childhood of an inferior family status, exacerbated by the iconoclastic, "free-thinking" views of her father, whose "anti-Catholic attitudes did not make for his popularity" in a predominantly Irish community.

The fact that the wealthy families in her hometown of Corning, N.Y., had relatively few children, Sanger took as prima facie evidence of the impoverishing effect of larger families. The personal impact of this belief was heightened 1899, at the age of 48. Sanger was convinced that the "ordeals of motherhood" had caused the death of her mother. The lingering consumption (tuberculosis) that took her mother's life visited Sanger at the birth of her own first child on Nov. 18, 1905. The diagnosis forced her to seek refuge in the Adirondacks to strengthen her for the impending birth. Despite the precautions, the birth of baby Grant was "agonizing," the mere memory of which Sanger described as "mental torture" more than 25 years later. She once described the experience as a factor "to be reckoned with" in her zealous campaign for birth control.

From the beginning, Sanger advocacy of sex education reflected her interest in population control and birth prevention among the "unfit." Her first handbook, published for adolescents in 1915 and entitled, What Every Boy and Girl Should Know, featured a jarring afterword:

It is a vicious cycle; ignorance breeds poverty and poverty breeds ignorance. There is only one cure for both, and that is to stoop breeding these things. Stop bringing to birth children whose inheritance cannot be one of health or intelligence. Stop bringing into the world children whose parents cannot provide for them."

BlackGenocide.org | The Truth About Margaret Sanger

Today, black women are still the highest in getting abortions. Where's Black Lives Matter when it comes to that? It's simple enough to convince them to get abortions because raising a child is costly. Yet, there are people who care and know what's it's all about. They're the ones who post banners saying it takes a community ot raise a child. It can be attributed to misleading and wrong Darwin's theories.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Typical leftist response, attempt intimidation through the ad hominem logical fallacy--name calling to you.
Not getting involved in the rest of the political wrangling, just thought I'd pull you up on one minor thing:

Calling someone delusional is not an ad hominem logical fallacy. The fallacy works like this: "Person 'x' says we should pick the blue uniform, but I happen to know that person 'x' picks their nose in public, so we should pick the red uniform". They are not doing that - they are calling into question your mental state given the validity of the propositions you have presented. Ergo, they are not making a personal attack to discredit your argument, they are analyzing your argument and using it to make a personal judgement of you. Right or wrong, it is still not an ad hominem.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
Right... because prior to Darwin no one believed that certain races were inferior to others. Without Darwin Hitler would never of dreamed of being so mean to the Jews. Without Darwin black people in this country would never have been made slaves... oh wait, wasn't slavery around LONG before Darwin was even born?

Okay, you're right... it's pretty moronic to blame Darwin's theory for human racists attitudes that have been around since the beginning of humanity.

Huh? I addressed scientific racism prior to Darwin. Did you read the Independent article? This isn't about the history of slavery, but Darwin's survival of the fittest and theories which led to the Holocaust and black genocide. Slavery didn't lead to extermination of Jews. He said we descended from apes which is racist. The first ape-humans were black. Eventually, it led to the highest beings as white. Black genocide is still going on today with Planned Parenthood as black women get the highest number of abortions.

Here I'll draw Darwin's racist picture for you.

Charles-Darwin-Theory-Evolution.jpg


Early man depicted in 2nd and 3rd pics were blacks and aborigines. Eventually, leading to a white man.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
Even if that nonsense were true. How does that disprove evolution by natural selection?

Ciao

- viole

The point isn't to disprove natural selection here. The point is to show Darwin was wrong about the racist and genocidal drivers of natural selection. It wasn't the strongest, fastest, smartest, but strictly based on those who could pass on their genes the most. That's how he defined survival of the fittest. Just that concept alone led to social Darwinism and negative eugenics of the Nazis. Maybe he should have just stuck with the strongest, fastest, smartest, etc.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I agree there, I don't think Darwinism is inherently immoral, it was a reasonable guess at explaining the diversity of life (at least 150 years ago it was!)

But the most dangerous belief, is the one that does not recognize itself as such, which rejects personal faith and claims absolute unquestionable fact- any free thinking person who does not share the belief becomes intellectually inferior by definition- you get the picture

“Evolution is a fact. Beyond reasonable doubt, beyond serious doubt, beyond sane, informed, intelligent doubt, beyond doubt evolution is a fact..
“It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked


(Dawkins)
Evolution is indeed a fact (& also a theory).
And as we've seen, criticism of it has yet to be reasonable.
Inferior arguments, you know.
But this poses no danger, because it doesn't inherently lead anywhere dangerous.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
Ray Comforts of the world unite!
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There's yet another thread in the Evolution vs. Creationism forum that is founded on a grossly misinformed understanding of Evolutionary Theory. This time we're talking about those dastardly printed words found in The Origin of Species and The Descent of Man which, just so you know, play virtually no part in modern understanding of the science... Why it's a constant target of literalist Christians I still don't get.

I really wish you creationists would at least learn the basics of biology before attempting to "score one for the big man upstairs." There's just so much wrong with so much of these conversations that I don't even know where to start.

I didn't make these up.

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In chapter 7 of Descent of Man, Darwin does specifically address human slavery.

"Extinction follows chiefly from the competition of tribe with tribe, and race with race. Various checks are always in action, serving to keep down the numbers of each savage tribe,- such as periodical famines, nomadic habits and the consequent deaths of infants, prolonged suckling, wars, accidents, sickness, licentiousness, the stealing of women, infanticide, and especially lessened fertility. If any one of these checks increases in power, even slightly, the tribe thus affected tends to decrease; and when of two adjoining tribes one becomes less numerous and less powerful than the other, the contest is soon settled by war, slaughter, cannibalism, slavery, and absorption. Even when a weaker tribe is not thus abruptly swept away, if it once begins to decrease, it generally goes on decreasing until it becomes extinct."

Darwin expects the weaker races to naturally go extinct. He doesn’t advocate exterminating the weaker races; but he doesn’t say we have a moral obligation to keep them from going extinct, either.

"We have seen in the second chapter that the conditions of life affect the development of the bodily frame in a direct manner, and that the effects are transmitted. … There is, also, a considerable body of evidence shewing that in the Southern States the house-slaves of the third generation present a markedly different appearance from the field-slaves."

In this passage, Darwin is merely using the physical appearance of slaves to prove his belief that climate, diet, and exercise result in acquired characteristics which are inherited. (Gregor Mendel proved this belief is wrong, and modern scientists know that acquired characteristics are definitely not inherited.)

The last two paragraphs of the book say,

"The main conclusion arrived at in this work, namely, that man is descended from some lowly organised form, will, I regret to think, be highly distasteful to many. But there can hardly be a doubt that we are descended from barbarians. The astonishment which I felt on first seeing a party of Fuegians on a wild and broken shore will never be forgotten by me, for the reflection at once rushed into my mind- such were our ancestors. These men were absolutely naked and bedaubed with paint, their long hair was tangled, their mouths frothed with excitement, and their expression was wild, startled, and distrustful. They possessed hardly any arts, and like wild animals lived on what they could catch; they had no government, and were merciless to every one not of their own small tribe. He who has seen a savage in his native land will not feel much shame, if forced to acknowledge that the blood of some more humble creature flows in his veins. For my own part I would as soon be descended from that heroic little monkey, who braved his dreaded enemy in order to save the life of his keeper, or from that old baboon, who descending from the mountains, carried away in triumph his young comrade from a crowd of astonished dogs- as from a savage who delights to torture his enemies, offers up bloody sacrifices, practices infanticide without remorse, treats his wives like slaves, knows no decency, and is haunted by the grossest superstitions.

Man may be excused for feeling some pride at having risen, though not through his own exertions, to the very summit of the organic scale; and the fact of his having thus risen, instead of having been aboriginally placed there, may give him hope for a still higher destiny in the distant future. But we are not here concerned with hopes or fears, only with the truth as far as our reason permits us to discover it; and I have given the evidence to the best of my ability. We must, however, acknowledge, as it seems to me, that man with all his noble qualities, with sympathy which feels for the most debased, with benevolence which extends not only to other men but to the humblest living creature, with his god-like intellect which has penetrated into the movements and constitution of the solar system- with all these exalted powers- Man still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin."

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Darwin seems to go along with the pseudo-scientific racist writings and attitudes of his time. He seems to agree with scientific consensus that “savages” and “civilised people” (his terms) are different species, and that people, just like ants, are perfectly justified in taking slaves from weaker, inferior tribes. Thus, let's just get rid of Darwin's racist and wrong theories of "survival of the fittest" is the driver of natural selection and common descent from a chumpanzee. One can still attribute natural selection to Darwin.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
Evolution is indeed a fact (& also a theory).
And as we've seen, criticism of it has yet to be reasonable.
Inferior arguments, you know.
But this poses no danger, because it doesn't inherently lead anywhere dangerous.

Sure, just like global warming and global cooling and Piltdown man, and the immutable laws of classical physics, eternal universe models and so on.. few things are more subjective and unreliable than facts!

Perhaps we could use a new word, for things that are actually demonstrably true or at least supported by some sort of empirical evidence?
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
You are delusional. Fascism is nationalism, and authoritarian in nature. It has NOTHING to do with socialism.

AND everyone knows that claiming that the nazis are socialistic is believing their own rhetoric... They CLAIM that they are socialistic. You are believing them. :D

Oh and still: You are the only person i have EVER witnessed ANYWHERE to make the claim that nazis are left wing. Or that fascism is left wing. And the sad part is that you somehow believe that making such insane claims somehow strengthens your argument... Your stance is plain and simple: Absurd.

/E: Can you, by any chance, make an argument where you don't automatically imply that everyone who doesn't share your particular political stance has something to do with nazis? It makes your "side" look like dumbasses.

Are you are brainwashed?

Fascism and Marxist socialism are sisters. Close sisters. Both are fundamentally about controlling the economy in a quest for a greater “good.” Both are fundamentally opposed to free markets, free prices and fundamentally the free will of individuals. Moreover, the Nazis called themselves the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party. Thus, your atheism and Marxist socialism will lead to fascist communism.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Sure, just like global warming and global cooling....
Those things can be measured, although not all claims made by all people are factual.
And then too, there are theories behind how those things function, all very new & very complex.
So applying laws of heat transfer & chemistry to predicting the future will be a long work in progress.
Evolution is also not so useful in predicting the future (except in some simple cases).
....and Piltdown man....
This was a fraud, which scientists debunked.
.....and the immutable laws of classical physics....
There is no such thing as "immutable laws of physics.
All such things are subject to change as our abilities & understandings improve.
.....eternal universe models and so on.. few things are more subjective and unreliable than facts!

Perhaps we could use a new word, for things that are actually demonstrably true or at least supported by some sort of empirical evidence?
I think you're confusing some things here......
Science is not about inerrant absolute truths for eternity.
It is a continual work in progress, with information & theories of one time being replaced by their betters as things progress.

To expect science to be error free is misunderstand what it is. It is full of error & less than full understanding. And it is part of the method to continually debunk what is no longer the most useful understanding.

This differs from many religions, which claim to have the eternal inerrant truth.
And many of these "truths" have turned out to be very wrong & evil....without
naming names & pointing my finger.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
We have found out that it's interbreeding or creating hybrids
Hybrids very rarely are able to reproduce.
The facts show Jews and blacks were killed by people who used Darwinism to justify their prejudices.
"The facts show Jews and blacks were killed by people who used Christianity to justify their prejudices." Though I doubt anyone who looks up to Darwin has ever pointed to the Origin of Species, invoked the name of Darwin, and killed a Jew. Probably no one who's black either. Probably no one ever. The Bible, and Jesus, on the other hand, is the epicenter of centuries of savage warfare and horrendous subjugation of others throughout Europe. Some of the very last witch hunts took place on American soil, and it was not Darwin these people were killed in the name of. Not even Stalin. He didn't kill because of Darwin, he killed because of a twisted and dogmatic approach towards Marxism. Sort of like how ISIS follows a twisted and dogmatic approach towards Islam.
We should not be celebrating Darwin Day anymore.
The birth of Darwin, IMO, should be considered more significant than the mythical birth date of the mythical Messiah, who is rejected by the very people who were promised one and appropriated by the Romans. Dr. King's birth day, should be considered more significant (and let's not forget his far-Leftist anti-Capitalist views, either). I'll even say John Locke, as Thomas Jefferson heavily plagiarized him, and the modern approach to democracy was born. And Mary Wollstonecraft, who dared stand up and declare the standards and expectations of women in her time abhorrent and morally reprehensible. Jesus, on the other hand, couldn't have even been born in December even if he really existed.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Sure, just like global warming and global cooling and Piltdown man, and the immutable laws of classical physics, eternal universe models and so on.. few things are more subjective and unreliable than facts!

Perhaps we could use a new word, for things that are actually demonstrably true or at least supported by some sort of empirical evidence?

Yeah....let's call it "procedurally-accurate" science, as opposed to "extrapolation" science!
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Huh? I addressed scientific racism prior to Darwin. Did you read the Independent article? This isn't about the history of slavery, but Darwin's survival of the fittest and theories which led to the Holocaust and black genocide. Slavery didn't lead to extermination of Jews. He said we descended from apes which is racist. The first ape-humans were black. Eventually, it led to the highest beings as white. Black genocide is still going on today with Planned Parenthood as black women get the highest number of abortions.

Here I'll draw Darwin's racist picture for you.

Charles-Darwin-Theory-Evolution.jpg


Early man depicted in 2nd and 3rd pics were blacks and aborigines. Eventually, leading to a white man.

Yeah, I read it and my answer is the same. Do you HONESTLY think that if Hitler hadn't had Darwin's theory to misinterpret that he wouldn't have hated Jews? Do you REALLY believe that racist wouldn't have found ANOTHER reason to call for black genocide if they hadn't had Darwin's theory to miss represent?

Your attempt to try and denigrate the theory of evolution by suggesting that Darwin was a racist is quite pathetic. But then I guess when the evidence to support the theory is just so overwhelming, you evolution deniers have nothing else to rely on, other than attempting to sling mud at the messenger. It's not just pathetic, it's downright childish.
 
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