sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
So, you DO practice traditional Jewish worship during Shabbat.
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COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Look at Acts 20. It says that the disciples were gathered in an upper room for a meal. First of all, we have to understand that this wasn’t just a “Rotary Club luncheon.” This was to celebrate the Lord’s Supper. It was worship. Second, since Paul was with them, we have to understand that this wasn’t a one-off. It happened probably every week. Then we have to ask “why?” Why would the disciples do that? The best answer is that it was on the first day of the week, which was when the Resurrection happened.
It’s interesting that Paul, in 1 Cor. Refers to Sunday as “the Lord’s Day.” It’s also interesting that. The Holy Spirit was conferred on the Apostles at Pentecost on Sunday. There are other theological reasons for worshiping on Sunday, which may be cogent to this particular discussion, but are not specifically pertinent to your question.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
OK this is good. The disciples gathered on Sunday for a meal. They probrbly prayed and worshipped for a while. But this was not a regular church service. People are free to worship as many times a week as they wish. But God made the seventh day HOLY and the commandment says to remember the seventh day to KEEP it HOLY. You can go to church any day you want but God's holy day is the seventh and no man can change that.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
That is not mt definition of picayune.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No, I think that it’s clear that it was a regular celebration of the Eucharist (that would later become the Sunday Mass). This was more than just “a meal” as I said earlier. Such services featured speakers; Paul was the speaker on this particular occasion. This service very much falls within the range of “the Apostles’ teaching.”
In fact the Didache itself — “the Teaching of the Twelve” has this to say about Sunday worship:
“On the Lord’s day, when you have been gathered together, break bread and celebrate the Eucharist. But first confess your sins so that your offering may be pure. If anyone has a quarrel with his neighbor, that person should not join you until he has been reconciled. Your sacrifice must not be defiled. In this regard, the Lord has said: In every place and time offer me a pure sacrifice. I am a great king, says the Lord, and my name is great among the nations.”
Eucharist, confession, sacrifice — these are established acts of worship, based on earlier, Judaic worship practices, since the Twelve were Jewish.
We know that the Bible speaks of Sunday as “the Lord’s Day.” This is further evidence that it’s the Apostles’ teaching, as found in Acts 20, referring to pure worship regularly on Sunday. This is the teaching of the apostles. And It’s found in the Bible. The teaching assumes that this is both their regular practice and the regular practice of Christians under their tutelage.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
If you were truly that picayune, your pure worship would be carefully planned to be the same as the Jews historically practiced on Shabbat. Or have you deigned to change things?
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
As God has said, "I change not."
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
The comments in the didache were written by humans using their human understanding. I prefer the words written by God.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
So then you’re worshiping according to traditional Jewish shabbat practice.
Either that, or you’re kidding yourself and others.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No such thing. God wrote nothing. Additionally, when the Bible says to “continue in the Apostles’ teaching,” I guess from the above statement that you think that biblical statement is bull crap? Because the Didache is the Apostles’ teaching.
74x12
Well-Known Member
That's a debatable claim ... at best.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
It’s as close as we’ve got. It was at least written by those in the apostolic succession.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Who decides who is an apostle?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Jesus. And then other Apostles.
3rdAngel
Well-Known Member
Where does the bible speak of Sunday as "THE LORD'S DAY"? - It doesn't.
JOHN being in the spirit on the Lord's day in REVELATION 1:10 is in reference to JOHN pointing out Christs divinity as creator of Heaven and earth and Lord of the Sabbath given to mankind *MARK 2:27-28 at creation *GENESIS 2:1-3.
So which day is "THE LORD'S DAY" according to the scriptures?
MATTHEW 12:8, FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.
According to the scriptures "THE LORDS DAY" is the "SABBATH DAY"
Nope no Sunday there....
I challenge you or anyone here to find me one scripture as you claim that says "Sunday" (or the first day of the week) is "THE LORDS DAY"?
The claim that "Sunday" is "THE LORD'S DAY" is not biblical and is a man-made teaching and tradition that has lead many to break God's 4th commandment handed down by the Roman Catholic Church to most of Christianity.
Hope this helps
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lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
God blessed the seventh day and made it holy. Nothing in the Bible changes that and no human can change what God made holy. People will make all kinds of excuses not to follow what God says.Where does the bible speak of Sunday as "THE LORD'S DAY"? - It doesn't.
JOHN being in the spirit on the Lord's day in REVELATION 1:10 is in reference to JOHN pointing out Christs divinity as creator of Heaven and earth and Lord of the Sabbath given to mankind *MARK 2:27-28 at creation *GENESIS 2:1-3.
So which day is "THE LORD'S DAY" according to the scriptures?
MATTHEW 12:8, FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.
According to the scriptures "THE LORDS DAY" is the "SABBATH DAY"
Nope no Sunday there....
I challenge you or anyone here to find me one scripture as you claim that says "Sunday" (or the first day of the week) is "THE LORDS DAY"?
This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has lead many to break God's 4th commandment handed down by the Roman Catholic Church to most of Christianity that is not biblical.
Hope this helps
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
That's part of Jewish Law, thus not binding on Gentiles.
3rdAngel
Well-Known Member
Your confesed here. According to the scirptures, there was no ISREAL and no JEW and no SIN when the Sabbath was made for all mankind *MARK 2:27-28; GENESIS 2:1-3.
Hope this helps
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
See Rev. 1:10.
3rdAngel
Well-Known Member
Nonsense! Show me where it says in REVELATION 1:10 that "SUNDAY" (or the first day of the week) is "THE LORDS DAY"? The use of the GREEK "LORDS DAY" κυριακός means the LORD'S ownership of the day ἡμέρα which the scriptures say is the SABBATH DAY *MATTHEW 12:8. JOHN being in the spirit on the Lord's day in REVELATION 1:10 is in reference to JOHN pointing out Christs divinity as creator of Heaven and earth and Lord of the Sabbath given to mankind *MARK 2:27-28 at creation *GENESIS 2:1-3.
Hope this helps
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