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Featured Circumcision, is it a good thing? Is it really mandated by God?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by firedragon, Apr 15, 2021.

  1. firedragon

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    Well, as you see there are two questions in this topic.

    1. Is circumcision a good thing? I have heard many people say that circumcision is very important to people, and even in a country like the United States, people perform circumcision on babies without their permission. I have also seen some documentary that shows it is not such a good thing.

    2. If you take the so called abrahamic theologies, the Bible clearly mandates circumcision. In the New Testament of course there is a dispute, and it is disputed. The Quran has no verse speaking of circumcision. Zilch, but for Muslims though they call it Sunnath, it is almost mandatory. So considering each theology, is it mandated by God? And why??

    What thoughts do you have on this?
     
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  2. Rival

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    I don't know. Europeans are baffled at the US affinity for infant circumcision. It's not really done here unless one is in a religious group that mandates it. I can't see the biological benefit to cutting off something that serves a purpose. For ex, one needs to be extra careful with nappy changing on a cut boy. It seems odd to do without Divine reason.
     
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    I wonder if there is some way to know just how many times this topic has been brought up.

    Despite that, it always seems to draw a crowd. You’ve opened the floodgates, flung wide the barn doors, unlocked the corral.

    For my personal safety, and because I’ve seen this movie too many times already, I’m going to stand aside and avoid being engulfed or trampled upon.

    Have fun!
     
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  4. firedragon

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    Now the Tanakh seems to clearly mandate circumcision. I dont know if you agree or not. Nevertheless, why would God require circumcision as like a membership requirement? Unless you have another view. I am interested in noting.
     
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    Well, I honestly have not seen too many threads on this particular matter in this forum. Maybe I was just oblivious to all. :) Cmon Rabbio. Who cares about safety. After all, all you would get is a hacker. ;)
     
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    I don't know; as I'm not a boy it wasn't really something I cared too much about. I would not take away the rights of religious groups to practice it. It can be done safely and rarely has any bad long term effects. So overall it seems fine. I'm neutral about it.
     
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    If people think that body modification for themselves is an important aspect of their religion, they should go for it. I have no issue with that.

    If people think that their religious obligation should mean they get to do body modification on someone else, especially someone too young to consent, they can **** right off as far as I'm concerned.

    Also, trying to subvert someone's freedom of religion and conscience by trying to indoctrinate them into one lifelong religion as a child is abhorrent, even when it doesn't involve body modification.
     
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    Actually, circumcision is taking place for females as well.

    I respect your position.
     
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    Well, I think that's well said really.
     
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    It is but it's not the subject here for me as it's not mandated in the Tanakh, which is my main focus.
     
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    I think many people's positions on issues like this come down to how they view rights.

    Personally, I don't think that "rights of groups" exist as their own thing at all. The rights of a group are nothing more than the rights of all the individuals in that group.
     
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    Yep. You are right. Female circumcision is not mandated.
     
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    Excuse me. Did you mean to say, it is not?
     
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    Yes it is not mandated in the Tanakh. At least not that I am aware of. Only male circumcision is. Yet you could enlighten me otherwise if so.
     
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    And where it is banned in most parts of the world, unlike male circumcision. Perhaps just a matter of time. Male circumcision is just an irrelevance from the past - like so many other things - and where rationality will overcome the enthusiasm of those who might think their religious beliefs will collapse if such goes. :oops:
     
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    The rights of peolple who want to be circumcized as infants needs to be protected!!!

    That's all I have to say about it.

    :D
     
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    What about female circumcision?
    It can be done safely with modern medicine.
    And the FGM-lite versions are comparable to male circumcision.
    If boys can have genitalia cosmetically altered without consent, then why deny girls this benefit?
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Every infant who demands it shall not be denied !!
     
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    If that's their culture, that's their culture. The issue here is religious mandate tho, which isn't the case with female variants.
     
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    Because female circumcision is worse.

    Anatomically, the male rough equivalent of female circumcision would be chopping the head off the penis.
     
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