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(Christianity) Do you believe the Bible to be inerrant/inspired?

Do you believe that the Bible is inerrant/inspired?

  • Yes, I believe the Bible is inerrant and completely divinely inspired.

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • I believe the Bible is either somewhat or totally inspired, but not totally inerrant.

    Votes: 6 46.2%
  • I believe the Bible is neither inspired nor inerrant.

    Votes: 4 30.8%
  • Other (please explain).

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Total voters
    13

leov

Well-Known Member
What is your opinion of the claim that the Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant?
Bible is a guide for the entire humanity, it is not addressed to any specific type of consciousness. So, it may be seen as an error for one type if consciousness and at the same time would not have an error for another type. It contains spiritual inspiration of others as well as guide to achieving one's own spiritual inspiration.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Bible is a guide for the entire humanity, it is not addressed to any specific type of consciousness. So, it may be seen as an error for one type if consciousness and at the same time would not have an error for another type. It contains spiritual inspiration of others as well as guide to achieving one's own spiritual inspiration.

"those who worship God must do so in spirit and in truth. For those are who the Father seeks to worship Him" Jesus in John 4

There is a matter of 'in Sprit' and 'in truth'
 

leov

Well-Known Member
"those who worship God must do so in spirit and in truth. For those are who the Father seeks to worship Him" Jesus in John 4

There is a matter of 'in Sprit' and 'in truth'
It is a part of the instructions for those who ready to understand.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
What is your opinion of the claim that the Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant?

I consider parts of the Bible being myths and tales, but I believe these stories as interpreted by Emanuel Swedenborg's understanding of Biblical mythologies have spiritual meanings or spiritual truths.

"Many of the world’s population believe that this book called the Bible is actually the Word of God. Whether you believe this or not, there's no denying the power of the Bible’s influence around the globe—in both good and bad ways. Emanuel Swedenborg’s spiritual experiences and resulting philosophies reveal deeper, spiritual messages contained within the Bible. Throughout his writings, Swedenborg takes what many consider to be a book of outdated moral lessons and turns them into modern, timeless messages of love and hope for people of all genders, races, and religions.

On our own we know nothing of heavenly and spiritual affairs, so we learn about them from divine revelation, which is the Word. —Secrets of Heaven

There's biblical revelation of every era of humanity that Swedenborg described in his writings. From the beginning of the human race, which was very close to heaven and had direct communication with God, all the way to the eighteenth century, when Swedenborg was writing.
By that point in human history, much evil had been done in the name of God and religion. Swedenborg said the revelation for our modern era is a new understanding of the true meaning of scripture. As portrayed in this animated excerpt from True Christianity, Swedenborg actually had a defining vision for a new spiritual mindset for humanity.

Immediately after experiencing this life-changing vision, Swedenborg then had an interaction with an angel who explained how he should explore the hidden meanings of the Bible to learn and share the truths about the Lord.

From that point on it became Swedenborg’s mission to study the literal words within the Bible to uncover the internal sense of the Word of God.

Swedenborg became so passionate about his new mission that his first and largest title, called Secrets of Heaven, was a verse-by-verse exposition on the books of Genesis and Exodus.

It is characteristic of the Word’s style that there is something holy in every statement, even in every word, even at times in the letters themselves; so the Word unites us to the Lord and opens heaven…The Word fills us with good desires that come from love and truths that lead to wisdom, provided we read it with the help of the Lord and not just on our own. It fills our will with good desires that come from love and fills our understanding with truths that lead to wisdom. As a result, we gain life by means of the Word.Sacred Scripture

Swedenborg was so diligent in his explorations of the Bible that he discovered the many times things are paired together over and over again, and he even offered an explanation for the dualities of the Bible.

Swedenborg says these things are paired together purposefully to symbolize the union of the heart (love) and the mind (wisdom) as one. It’s a powerful revelation that serves as the basis for Swedenborg’s theory about the Bible’s main message.

There are three different types of narratives Swedenborg described within each book of the Bible from Genesis to Revelations:
Genesis 1-11: Fictional narratives that are full of symbolic lessons

Rest of Old Testament: Historical and prophetical content with meaning that’s both concealed and unconcealed

New Testament: Historical stories of Jesus’s life that have concealed internal meaning

Essentially, Swedenborg says that even through all the violent and vengeful words of the Bible, the hidden message is about love for the Lord and others. He says that even the Ten Commandments convey this internal meaning and significance

If God wanted to provide us with a printed form of communication to last for eternity, then why would he obscure its true meaning behind complex symbolism? Why wouldn’t the text just mean exactly what it says? Curtis Childs of the Swedenborg Foundation well-explains Swedenborg’s philosophy about how divine concepts require earthly containers like the Bible and introduces an animated excerpt from Sacred Scripture to explain the concept further.

We can tell from this that in its literal meaning the Word is really the Word. There is spirit and life within; the spiritual meaning is its spirit and the heavenly meaning is its life. This is what the Lord said: “The words that I speak to you are spirit and are life” (John 6:63). The Lord said his words to the world and said them in their earthly meaning. Apart from the earthly meaning, which is the literal meaning, the spiritual and heavenly meanings are not the Word; [without it] they are like a spirit and life without a body—and like a palace that has no foundation to rest on. —Sacred Scripture 39

We can see an example of Swedenborg’s philosophy about literal v. internal through his interpretation of the prophesy about Egypt, Israel, and Assyria becoming one. Swedenborg says that the prophesy represents scholarly study, rational thinking, and spirituality become one—and is the future of science and spirituality working together for the best of humanity.

The Word in Heaven
Indeed, without the Word no one would know anything about the Lord, about love and faith, redemption, or any of the other secrets of heavenly wisdom. In fact, without the Word there would not be a heaven, just as in the world there would not be a church without the Word —The Word of the Lord 14

Swedenborg says the Bible does exist in heaven, but the Word in the spiritual world or afterlife is not the same as the word in the physical world or earth. Spirits and angels have an almost immediate revelation or understanding of the deepest spiritual sense of the Word in heaven so there’s no need for historical narratives and metaphors. In fact, there are different levels of understanding the Word amongst angels depending on the level of heaven they occupy. Chara Daum, a translator for the New Century Edition, explains how angels understand the Bible on different levels.

There are five excerpts from Swedenborg’s writings shedding some more light on the differences between the literal and spiritual meanings of the Word. Throughout his writings, Swedenborg reveals how the Bible is more of a spiritual tour of heaven than a book of moral instructions.

The inner meaning gives the Lord’s Word life. That meaning is like a soul whose body is the superficial sense. The case resembles that with human beings; when our body dies—when we join the angels—our soul comes alive, and when our soul lives, we no longer know anything of bodily affairs. By the same token, we no longer know what the literal meaning of the Word is, only what its soul is. Secrets of Heaven 1143

Enlightenment

If you believe there’s both a literal and internal sense of the Word, you can gain access to the deeper level of understanding. According to Swedenborg, it’s possible to connect with the Word even if you have never read the Bible, are not Christian, and have never followed his teachings on the internal sense.

Swedenborg says the way to connect with the Bible’s spiritual message is to live it—or practice what you preach.
You can be connected to the spiritual Word simply by living a life of love because love for the Lord and others is the core message of the Bible.

In his mercy the Lord accepts and saves anyone anywhere on the globe who has lived a good life, because goodness itself is what accepts truth. A good life is the actual soil in which seed, or truth, is planted. An evil life positively does not accept the seed.Secrets of Heaven 2590"

 
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darklydreaming

New Member
I believe in the inspiration and inerrancy of the original autographs of the Biblical texts, while the text we have now is not necessarily word-for-word inspired or inerrant.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I chose Curtain #2, thus I believe the Bible may be at least somewhat "Divinely inspired" but definitely not inerrant.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
What is your opinion of the claim that the Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant?
I agree with @darklydreaming. The texts we have today, are not the originals which were inspired and without error in it's message, but I believe we have copies, with the original message, preserved by God.
The copyist errors do not interfere with the message even slightly.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
I believe that scripture is divinely inspired. However, all scripture is written by the people to whom the revelations were given, and people are not perfect. They wrote according to their understanding and culture. Their culture is not ours, nor was their understanding that which we have.
 

Galateasdream

Active Member
Inspired in some way I haven't figured out. Probably primarily as a transformative encounter tool, or something similar.

Not inerrant. Full of historical, scientific, textual construction errors - pretty much like any collection of ancient texts.
 
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