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Christian nationalism

Discussion in 'Religious News' started by Jeremiah Ames, Nov 6, 2022.

  1. Jeremiah Ames

    Jeremiah Ames Well-Known Member

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  2. Brickjectivity

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    It goes back many years. Part of this is down to the perception that Satan wants to destroy this country morally and politically tangential to his empty hope to fight Jesus. You see this empty hope and rage of Satan presented in many popular works such as the Left Behind series, expanding on a scripture verse Revelation 12:12 "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! For the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time." and various other Revelation verses are mixed in. It is all sprinkled with a sense of urgency, and the reality of the USSR is what gives it all this terrible tangibility. The USSR literally hates God, and America is still just coming out of that awful WWII which is also perceived as a war against God. Actually its not hard to see it as exactly that.

    Satan is the explanation for the USSR trying to destroy Christianity (which yes it did literally try). There is *also* an idea that USA is under threat and the idea is present in a lot of prophecy and conspiracy type books from the 1970's and 1980's. There is long Cold War and the threat of world-ending nukes, and people are selling books to Christians about Gog and Magog and equating these with Russia and the USSR. They predict how Russia is going to do this and that, and such and such will happen in Israel. A lot of this never goes mainstream, but it is very common in evangelical circles and on the 700 Club as well as many other TV ministries. This has continued on for decades.

    It involves lots of women who watch religious TV and who like going to churches that emphasize miracles. Most of them have miracle services, seeking signs from God.

    Have you ever heard of the singer Carmen ? His singing is a waypoint, not the cause. Have you heard of the Washington for Jesus rallies? These will give you an idea of the sentiments behind Christian nationalism. It is the feeling that we have a great gift in this country, founded by Christians; and it is the feeling that it is all under threat.


     
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    Yes. That was a low point for me, when I was lost, blind and confused and thought that was good music, lmao.
    Low point emotionally, as well, because my beliefs were much the same.
    But, yeah, I don't have much to add. It's nothing new but has been there for a long time now.
     
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    Christian Nationalism is not - and should not be - illegal. Wanting the Government to investigate it because I don't like it would be hypocritical.
     
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    The government investigates Islamic extremists, don't they? Pray tell what is the difference? The name of the deities they distort into their symbols of violence and hatred of others? Aren't they the exact same animal?
     
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    I think extremists of any flavour (let's say people advocating violence for political ends) should be investigated.

    I don't think Christian Nationalism is advocating violence in any general sense, but would suggest those who are should be investigated.
     
  7. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    But doesn't Christian Nationalism actively lobby against some of the foundations of the Constitution? I mean, as far as I am aware, freedom of (and from) religion is enshrined in the Constitution, and yet at the same time are pure anathema to Christian Nationalists. I would have thought serious efforts to undermine the Constitution might warrent at least a look-see by those sworn to uphold and defend it.
     
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    That is their right.
    But not to get on SCOTUS to impose their religion.
     
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    FWIW
    I would have gladly lobbied for the 17th, 19th, and 20th Amendments.
    I am more than willing to lobby for a clarification of the 2nd Amendment.
    I am more that willing to lobby against the Electoral College.
    I am more than willing to lobby for the Equal Rights Amendment.​
    The act of lobbying does not warrant Government investigation.
     
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  10. URAVIP2ME

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    Jesus was politically neutral and so were his 1st-century followers.
    They did Not even get involved in the issues of the day between the Jews and Romans.
    More than a small 'glimmer of hope' but the super-human answer to today's super-human problems.
    The super-human solution is found in God's invitation to pray to God for Jesus to come ! - Rev. 22:20
    Jesus to come as our Super-Human Hero to bring ' healing ' to earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
    Healing on Earth as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Okay, thank you.
     
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    No set of beliefs is politically neutral. There are political implications to just about everything

    I'm wondering what would be done with the investigative results. Often results are swept under the rug or quietly fade away when they don't jibe with the prevailing beliefs of those in power.
     
  13. URAVIP2ME

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    Jesus nor his 1st-century followers got involved with the political of the world.
    When the people wanted Jesus as a political head, Jesus slipped away - John 6:15
    In other words, Jesus turned down any opportunity to be in politics or back anything political of the world.
    Jesus only backed God's Kingdom government - Daniel 2:44; 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
    Jesus instructed to pray to his God asking for His Kingdom to come. (thy kingdom come.....)
     
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    I think this depends on what you mean by "politically neutral." To some degree, politics is the realm of government policy. The gospels were written long before our modern systems of government and do not directly call for anyone to vote for any particular bill or candidate.

    In order to obtain politics from the gospels, then, you have to politicize them. I think this could be done unintentionally, but I also think this is mostly done intentionally when people make scriptural arguments in favor or against a certain policy.

    Importantly, there is always a wide degree of personal interpretation and individual priority that is almost required to make the gospels relevant to modern politics. I don't think this is merely a consequence of the beliefs themselves.
     
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    Political ramification's do not involve party affiliation. Any belief, fact or attitude has political implications.
     
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    The Golden rule. Monotheism, rules of diet, dress, or conduct; social status and obligations -- all have political ramifications, if not directly, then indirectly.
    Unintended consequences. Butterfly effects.
     
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    Or the Slippery Slope Fallacy.
     
  18. URAVIP2ME

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    Yes, Jesus was executed on the trumped-up charges of sedition, treason and injured majesty.
    Like Jesus, his followers backing Jesus as King of God's Kingdom has political implications - Daniel 2:44
    Jesus is the figurative ' stone ' found at Daniel 2:45
     
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