mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I am glad you found your way that works for you. I found it through philosophy.
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Choice... someone's personal story
- Thread starter Kenny
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I am glad you found your way that works for you. I found it through philosophy.
If she's happy, I'm happy for her. It doesn't sound like she was a trans man, but rather a confused lesbian. In that case, it's good that she detransitioned because testosterone therapy causes permanent changes and these accumulate over time. God doesn't seem to send those visions to all of us, though. There's many LGBT Christian people who are at peace with both.
VoidCat
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Same. As long as she's happy I have no issue that she detransitioned.
But I will say it's not a choice to be trans as Ken seems to imply
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I think being shamed, manipulated, and exploited by deceptive, agenda driven religious kooks is far worse.
What's to be happy about? That for now, she's no longer the target of religious bigotry? Her problem is not being transgender. It's being transgender in a world where she is considered diseased, and where people celebrate her attempt to conform to their expectations. It's pretty much a sure thing that this will lead to a state of internal turmoil attempting the suppress intuitions that just don't go away. She may succeed for the rest of her life trying to conform to Christian expectations, but we know how such lives are experienced. Or she may struggle for a while and then succumb to her instincts. Either way, it's not going to be as good for her as being herself and being accepted for that would be.
This is not a victory, and there is nothing to be happy about here the way we might celebrate an alcoholic finding sobriety. Unlike alcoholism, transgenderism is not a disease and needs no cure. There is nothing more to celebrate here than there is making a lefty use his right hand instead because you consider left-handedness a defect.
It's a medical condition and a pretty awful one to have. I hate being trans. It's not something to celebrate. It's hard, and hormones and surgery don't cure your dysphoria. They can help, but they aren't cures. I'd jump at the chance for a cure. Who the hell wants to have a mismatched body?
If someone finds relief and contentment outside of taking hormones or having major surgery, that's actually a good thing. I don't agree with all of her views, but it's a good thing if she genuinely came to be comfortable in her own skin, which is something that eludes probably most of us. Congrats.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
If that's the case, I wonder if living in a religious environment actually created the confusion in the first place as in instilling the notion that only a man can rightfully love and have a romantic (and sexual) relationship with a woman, thus leading to an internalized need to transition even though she wasn't ever trans, and "just" lesbian. This would explain why she didn't feel satisfied with her transition, like at all. One explanation out of many, I humbly admit. Just something that came through my mind when I read your post.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Seems reasonable, I wonder if it actually works like that, but it does seem reasonable to me in principle.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Thank you for sharing the video. Quite a story. The part about locking her up in mental institutions shocked me most. Incredible they do that in the US (Holland probably not much better) and calling themselves civilized.
Quite inhumane our governments allowing this to happen...if it were 1500 I can understand, but now in the year 2010 or so, definitely not. Those doctors and Big Pharma should be ashamed
Happy to hear she found God, and has God speak to her and performing quite a miracle. She looks beautiful now, and she is a good inspiration for many
Good message in the video. God does not judge or condemn her. God told her she is free to choose. That was the part I liked a lot. A truly loving God, always willing and ready to help, if we just allow Him. That's my experience too
Where's the Love?
John 4:7
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.
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Psalm23
Well-Known Member
That's understandable. I think you bring up a good point.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Does it? I think you're more concerned about propping up some weak narrative than you are about anyone's well-being.
VoidCat
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Apologies. It was likely an error
I think I was trying to hit “informative” or “like”
I’m on my phone and it has a sensitive and somewhat iffy touchpad.
I’m just clumsy
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VoidCat
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ah ok
If you are happy, I am happy for you!
But I did take note that you didn't reply whether you were happy for this young lady who found her freedom.
What I do know is that God loves everybody!!!!!
Gargovic Malkav
Well-Known Member
Or.. the demon can use all that life experience against you.
If the demon in question has been around for so long it probably got to know very well how the human mind works, modifying their people of interest so to get them to think and do things that are "harmful" while such people feel it is right because it makes them feel good.
VoidCat
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Im optimistic
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I am happy for everybody who find their place in regards to their sex, sexualitity and gender. What about you?