Characteristics of a Conservative Utopia (CU)

[Rival]

You sound like someone who likes middle class policies. As do I.
The only thing missing from the equation is explaining what 'socially conservative' means?

I think a better explanation might be 'traditionally religious'. I oppose elective abortion, same-sex marriage in my religious institution, I support gender-roles, &c.

 

[epronovost]

I'm socially conservative and economically somewhat left in that I support socialised healthcare, strong welfare, free school meals etc. What would that make me?

Depending on how socially conservative you are and what's your view on the private property of hte means of production, that could make you a member of the "Old Left" or "tanky" for a more pejorative term or a member of the "Moral Majority" as they call themselves in the US or "traditionalist" as most people would call them in other western countries which would be a conservative ideology whose "utopia" isn't too dissimilar to what I have described in page 1.

 

[Rival]

Depending on how socially conservative you are and what's your view on the private property of hte means of production, that could make you a member of the "Old Left" or "tanky" for a more pejorative term or a member of the "Moral Majority" as they call themselves in the US or "traditionalist" as most people would call them in other western countries which would be a conservative ideology whose "utopia" isn't too dissimilar to what I have described in page 1.

But would it make me a Republican or a Democrat?

 

[tytlyf]

I think a better explanation might be 'traditionally religious'. I oppose elective abortion, same-sex marriage in my religious institution, I support gender-roles, &c.

I get that. That's what I assumed. There's Democrats that are pro-life as well, not many. But it's good to equip oneself with the real facts when it comes to abortion legislature and opinions in politics.
To me, the abortion debate is completely driven by religion on the right. I like the fact the Constitution is a secular document and I wouldn't be in favor of religious-inspired law forced on all Americans.
So I look at the debate from a constitutional perspective.
People also need to know facts like tax dollars cannot be used for abortion and other facts that a large portion of the population doesn't understand.
So there's a lot of emotion/propaganda from that political topic as well. The Republican elitists only assume the pro-life position because it's what the base wants, I'm sure many republican's are pro-choice. But wouldn't vote that way or publicly admit it.

The majority of Democrats, by a long shot, are Christians. That shouldn't be a determining factor of political affiliation. That's tribalism.

Many people on the left support gender roles as well, I do. I prefer to look at it from an equality perspective according to the founding of the nation. Marriage carries legal weight that can benefit any couple and that shouldn't be restricted because someone's religious view doesn't agree with it.

It's important to keep religion out of the government for these reasons alone. It's important to not let one's religious beliefs interfere with any decision making in an elected office.

If someone can't leave their religion at the door once assuming an oath to the Constitution, then they shouldn't run for the office to begin with.

You must admit there is a creeping Christian Nationalist movement assuming positions as elected officials across the country?

And these same people have no desire to adhere to the secular nature of the Constitution? One just got added to the SCOTUS. Scary right?

We know their role and agenda. Dominionism. Creeping ever so slowly.

 

[Rival]

You must admit there is a creeping Christian Nationalist movement assuming positions as elected officials across the country?

I don't know, I'm British.

 

[epronovost]

But would it make me a Republican or a Democrat?

Most likely a Republican though, lately, you might have shifted to Democrats depending on your views on immigration. Abortion is usually seen as wedge issue in US politics.

 

[Rival]

Most likely a Republican though, lately, you might have shifted to Democrats depending on your views on immigration. Abortion is usually seen as wedge issue in US politics.

Strictly controlled immigration.

 

[Twilight Hue]

If conservatives were able to setup a new country on their own, what would the structure of government/society look like? Would it resemble Republican policies in America?
Here's my take on societal decisions and perspectives, would conservatives agree that their CU would function similarly?

Education: Private, for-profit
Healthcare: Private, for-profit
Taxes: Worker class taxed, corporations/1% no taxes (job creators)
Energy: Private, for-profit
Agriculture: Private, for-profit
Police: Private, for-profit
Prisons: Private, for-profit
Fire: Private, for-profit
Military: Private, for-profit
Justice: Private, for-profit
Regulations: None

Would this be an accurate representation of a CU or would there be government interference in certain aspects of life? This is an opinion thread

Look at all those new jobs.

 

[epronovost]

Strictly controlled immigration.

By that you mean few immigrants that must pass through a lengthy and difficult process of selection that requires, time, personnal wealth and high education (tell me if I'm wrong).

In that case you would be well at home in the utopia I described in page 1 and within the Republican party. Thouh you would be amongst the few ones who do wish to see changes in healthcare, but are paralysed by the size of the reform and political gridlocks caused by the decentralised nature of the US.

 

[tytlyf]

Look at all those new jobs.

Where? I can look at GDP charts the last 4 decades to show Republicans are terrible at the economy. What jobs?
Last I checked, person who shouldn't be named has lost more jobs than when he inherited Obama's blue economy. He's underwater.

Just because some far-right gossip queens tells you something, you shouldn't believe them. That's RED-flag central.

And yes, I'm going to continue pointing to where the problem lies with people who think like this.

 

[joe1776]

Why don't you try reading some Conservative literature and found out. ''''.

Why don't you try answering the question which was:
Which on the OP's list misrepresents conservatives in your opinion?

Were you stymied by the question?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why don't you try answering the question which was:
Which on the OP's list misrepresents conservatives in your opinion?

Were you stymied by the question?

Basically the only group that would apply to is anarcho-capitalistm - and I wouldn't consider them Conservative. Conservatives as whole just are not able to check off every item on that list as something they think would be great policy.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Last I checked, person who shouldn't be named

Voldemort?

 

[Regiomontanus]

I must be good at keeping mine secret too.
Just yesterday someone told me I'm a Christian.
(Real Christians were horrified.)

There is still time, brother....

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I must be good at keeping mine secret too.
Just yesterday someone told me I'm a Christian.
(Real Christians were horrified.)

Oh my. That once saved, always saved thing might be real after all, and the aura of my presence is rubbing off on you.
So, I guess this means Jehovah is going to discover a major loophole in his system this century.

 

[Kenny]

Conservatives in the United States vote consistently for Republican policies. As stated previously, my collection of CU societal structures is based on Republican policies in the US.
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This is a good start.... how does your list represent Republican Policies? Can you give me a source?

 

[joe1776]

Basically the only group that would apply to is anarcho-capitalistm - and I wouldn't consider them Conservative. Conservatives as whole just are not able to check off every item on that list as something they think would be great policy.

I don't know why you think anarchy is necessary. The USA is a stronghold of the free market economic theory. And, while some free market competition is good, economic conservatives fall into the common trap of thinking that if some is good, more must certainly be better.

With the exception of the justice system, every item on the OP's list would be favored by the conservative group as a whole, but obviously not by all individuals within the group.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't know why you think anarchy is necessary.

I don't. However, the views listed in the OP are aligned with anarcho-capitalist, hence why I reference Nozick's book "Anarchy, State and Utopia." Because you will find such views there. Not among your average Conservative. Even Milton wasn't entirely anti-spending and saw it as something that should be attached to the GDP. And when we look across the pond, England's firebrand Conservative Margaret Thatcher defended the NHS.

And, while some free market competition is good, economic conservatives fall into the common trap of thinking that if some is good, more must certainly be better.

And once again you should read some Conservative literature, because much like Liberals they aren't all the same, just as the Left and Right can't be approached as homogeneous groups or entirely composed of Liberals and Conservatives.

 

[SomeRandom]

I wouldn't call Kelsey Grammer as "socially liberal" de to his anti-environmentalist position, his opposition to univerrsal basic public services in education and healthcare, his opposition on abortion and his support for unhinged creationists and religious fundamentalists like Michele Bachmann and the Tea Party in general.

Well fair enough. I don’t know enough about American politics or indeed the personal politics of Mr Grammer. I just found it interesting that he spoke out against the Republicans on that issue. Maybe it’s because he’s an actor, if you get my drift?

 

[epronovost]

Well fair enough. I don’t know enough about American politics or indeed the personal politics of Mr Grammer. I just found it interesting that he spoke out against the Republicans on that issue. Maybe it’s because he’s an actor, if you get my drift?

I didn't know anything about him nor that he even existed befoe you mentionned him so I checked his wikipedia bio and some other sources on the character.