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Characteristics of a Conservative Utopia (CU)

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by tytlyf, Jan 13, 2021.

  1. tytlyf

    tytlyf The Mind Eye

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    If conservatives were able to setup a new country on their own, what would the structure of government/society look like? Would it resemble Republican policies in America?
    Here's my take on societal decisions and perspectives, would conservatives agree that their CU would function similarly?

    Education: Private, for-profit
    Healthcare: Private, for-profit
    Taxes: Worker class taxed, corporations/1% no taxes (job creators)
    Energy: Private, for-profit
    Agriculture: Private, for-profit
    Police: Private, for-profit
    Prisons: Private, for-profit
    Fire: Private, for-profit
    Military: Private, for-profit
    Justice: Private, for-profit
    Regulations: None

    Would this be an accurate representation of a CU or would there be government interference in certain aspects of life? This is an opinion thread
     
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    Tell us how you really feel about conservatives.
     
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    No, this is a caricature of conservative beliefs; especially as if there is only one kind of conservative.
     
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    Full disclosure, this is the kind of toxic dumpster fire garbage that lead some here to want to see the political forums disappear completely.
     
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    A conservative utopia is an oxymoron in my opinion since conservatives seek to preserve social structures and hierarchies not create new ones. Conservatism thus cannot be utopian in nature. I would say that you just described a resumé of an anarcho-capitalist utopia which aren't conservative though they do have some things in common with conservatives in Western democracy when it comes to their support for private property, business, minimal or flat taxation and equality (or more accurately lack of equality). A more "accurate" conservative utopia would be something similar to Italian fascism, but with a greater emphasis on a national or traditionnal religion. A regime with broad popular support with a non-elected leader, a union between labor and corporate powers for the benefit of social stability and productivity, a strong traditionnal culture, the centrality of nationalistic pseudo-history, a rejection of globalisation and cosmopolitanism, a solid divide in gender roles and traditionnal sexual expression though not an obsession for purity (think a don't ask don't tell attitude toward non-heterosexual and a rejection of feminist ideals), a solid presence of the majority's religion in the public sphere and in laws, but a quiet and lukewarm tolerance for other faiths as long as they don't contest the dominance and privileges of the national faith, sharp divide between the classes, but common cultural ground between them based on patriotism and pride in the national myth.
     
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    tytlyf The Mind Eye

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    I asked if this societal structure would resemble what a CU would look like. Based on their policy stances in America, I presented my perspective on how that society would look.

    You can disagree, but I listed multiple structures and you didn't even point to one that could be changed or why it would be different.?
     
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    tytlyf The Mind Eye

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    I don't recall you standing up and saying anything for years from the far-right propaganda and fake news. Threads proven to be false and misleading, all day, every day from the usual suspects. Just crickets.

    This isn't a thread based on a purported item in the news, this is for conservatives setting up a CU and what sort of structure it would entail.

    My position was based solely on republican policies in America, which conservatives seem to support overwhelmingly..
     
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    This has nothing to do with whether I agree or disagree. It has to do with your blatant misrepresentation of conservatives in general.
     
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    tytlyf The Mind Eye

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    Oh, I see.....hmmm....

    I'll play along, which part of the OP misrepresented conservatives? Thanks.
     
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    Which on the OP's list misrepresents conservatives in your opinion?
     
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  11. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    That is not conservative. That is as others pointed out anarcho-capitalistic. You forget that the courts should also be private and for-profit.
     
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    Conservatives in the United States vote consistently for Republican policies. As stated previously, my collection of CU societal structures is based on Republican policies in the US.
    I can only go off evidence of what conservatives support. And I feel that the structures listed above follow the republican policies of America.
    Feel free to take 1 example above and show that it isn't a conservative policy that's supported.
    I can only use how they vote and which policies they support in America to make my decision. I thought it was accurate, you're here to contribute and point out where I went amiss.
     
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    tytlyf The Mind Eye

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    I think we're going to get more crickets on that. The agenda was exposed, they don't like that.
     
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    Free market capitalism isn't a conservative position as you see it?
     
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    Good caricature of liberal beliefs, too.
     
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    I tend to agree, but I think we can all admit that the direction of the Republican party and it's supporters is edging closer and closer to Anarcho-Capitalism.
    That's the end result of their policies.

    "A Utopia is an imagined community or society that possesses highly desirable or nearly perfect qualities for its citizens."
    Utopia - Wikipedia
     
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    I listed that as "Justice: Private, for-profit"
     
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    Sounds like hell on Earth.
     
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    Yeah, but it is not conservative. It is anarcho-capitalistic.
    Conservative is something else. You can find communists, which are also conservative in one sense of the word. Conservative in the end means maintaining that status-quo.
    In Denmark the center of politics are conservative in one sense, the far-right conservative in another sense and the far-left conservative in a 3rd sense.
     
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  20. mikkel_the_dane

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    No, we have a traditional conservative party in Denmark, which supports climate regulation, regulated capitalism and a welfare state.
     
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