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Can you depend on Christianity?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by KingTruth, Apr 13, 2020.

  1. KingTruth

    KingTruth New Member

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    As we all know, Christianity is one of the most popular and dependable religions (if not the most) known to mankind. In Christianity, one is exposed to several doctrines such as forgiveness of sin, repentance and even salvation. There is a popular saying that declares that every single human being is born into sin. Popular culture also proclaims that no one is perfect, NOT ONE.

    Some actually doubt the existence of a Good God, but it’s easy to just observe that nature and everything around us in the universe has an immaculate design. There obviously has to be a supernaturally intelligent brain/mind behind all creation. This means we are assured that God is good and perfect, but what about humanity? What is the relationship between the supreme Good God and all mankind?

    A Good God is pure and holy; He absolutely hates and doesn’t accept anything that is otherwise (bad, evil, wrong, ugly, immoral, wretched, incorrect, sinful, deficient, corrupt etc). He is perfect and incapable of making mistakes. Despite this, Christianity teaches that God can forgive sins and also that men can repent from their wrongdoing and be reconciled with Him. These ideas do not make sense and are thus obvious lies that have been propagated through history.

    Another way to understand it is that God is a perfect being who exists in a flawless realm called Heaven. Humanity can never make it there because the requirement is to be ONLY GOOD and PERFECT. A good being can only do good and can never make any mistakes; humans clearly do not fit into this description. Saying that God forgives sins implies that God accepts sinful nature and this is obviously untrue. Likewise, claiming that a common man can repent from evil ways implies that something BAD can be converted to GOOD. This is clearly impossible because the two are opposite and vastly different.

    Careful studying of the Christian Bible reveals this important secret. In Matthew 7: 16-20, it says: “16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.”

    Paying close attention to verse 19 and the previous paragraphs, it appears that the fate of mankind is to be “cast into the fire”. There is no forgiveness, no repentance and no salvation. Burning in hell fire forever is very scary and unpleasant, but it has to happen because of how men chose and choose to be. Today, people are still living on Earth; when will the eternal torment begin? The month APRIL could be: A Perfect Real Infinite Love. Seems like God’s celebration day.
     
  2. KenS

    KenS Face to face with my Father
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    I don't see how you came to that conclusion. It seems like a statement taken out at the expense of all other scripture like John 3:16-17
     
  3. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Silent Generation - so don't expect much
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    I think you need to study a bit. Plenty of anomalies (*) in nature, biology, human nature, etc., for us not to assume any 'immaculate design'. Many would accuse you of just being selective - including me.

    * You'll have to research this for yourself though, as I won't do the work.
     
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  4. shunyadragon

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    As with all religions in history it is not a question 'Can you depend on the religion?' It is simply a fact that people do depend on the religion in various forms regardless of the outcome,

    Whether any one religion is more dependable than others is from the perspective of the believer.
     
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  5. Good-Ole-Rebel

    Good-Ole-Rebel Well-Known Member

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    As a Christian, my faith is never in the organized system called Christianity. It is in the Person of Jesus Christ. As a result of that I am part of the Christian faith or religion.

    The Christian religion will deteriorate and fail. See (Rev. 3:14-19) The Church, made up of every born-again believer, also called the Body of Christ, will not fail.

    My understanding of the Bible is that the Church will be raptured out of this world at the beginning of the Tribulation period. But, I believe you will still see Christian religious services on the earth after that. Why? Because there is a difference between religion and the true Church.

    In other words, you cannot depend on the religious system of Christianity, but you can depend on Jesus Christ.

    Good-Ole-Rebel
     
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  6. Left Coast

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    So you believe in...universal damnation, as opposed to universal salvation? That's a new one.

    You seem to believe that forgiveness is opposed to moral goodness. Yet forgiveness is a virtually universal feature in religion, as well as just in human life generally as we grow and learn to live with ourselves and others. Maintaining a rigid need for absolute perfection with no opportunities for growth or healing is a very constricting way to live, and actually becomes morally degrading, as it breeds resentment and hate.
     
  7. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I don't base my determinations on schematics. So the Bible or the religion of Christianity itself has no influence or bearing on the natural world and how it actually works.

    I can see people depending on the theology to get through some rough times, but that would be just strictly mental consolation and is completely ineffective with the processes and happenings of the natural world.

    I wouldn't ever depend on Christianity personally because there is absolutely no reason to.

    Anyways, it's completely borrowed theology. I would say it's more accurate to state that Christianity is entirely dependent upon it's pagan and Jewish origins to even have existed in the first place from which the religion came about.
     
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  8. pearl

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    What you are promoting is in total opposition to both Hebrew and Christian Scriptures.
     
  9. Unveiled Artist

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    Assumptions, intelligent guesses, wants, and subjective experiences doesn't mean anything to whether god actually exists or not. "There must be..." proves nothing.

    That, and the universe isn't perfect. It's spontaneous. Seizures aren't designed. They are spontaneous. Cancer isn't designed either. However, they are normal just as anything else that functions in the body. Our bodies are made to live, age, and die; that's it. Many christians can't accept death-actually not existing-but their wants/needs/ and musts have no bearing in whether god actually exists to all people rather than themselves and their peers.
     
  10. Jane Boswell

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    [QUOTE=" A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit."/QUOTE]

    I won't enumerate the paradoxes of nature that defy your cliché. It doesn't take into account leaps of evolution on organic, sociologic and technical scales. Something cathartic is usually to "blame" at first because it is royally inconvenient, but then is credited with having ironically transformed society. The Black Plague begat The Renaissance which begat the Industrial Revolution.
     
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    In the Bible the requirement is righteousness. Those who are born of God, can be righteous.

    These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
    Mat. 25:46

    For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
    Romans 6:23

    He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
    1 John 3:7-10

    And I think it is funny how can you claim that perfect could not forgive sins.
     
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    That's why God came as the sacrificial lamb. It is the blood of Jesus that is perfect and good and can cleanse from sin. That's the only way God forgives sins.
    Yet, God promises to make all things new. To remake us like the potter reforms the clay that is marred in his hands into a new vessel. This is by the resurrection of Jesus Christ which shows power over the grave and the gift of a new life.
    This is why God says I will redeem them from the power of the grave. The word redeem means kinsman redeemer in Hebrew. God will pay the ransom. The blood of Jesus is the only payment.
     
  13. TransmutingSoul

    TransmutingSoul One Planet One People Please
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    That is our choice. We have the choice of embracing the Light.

    Regards Tony
     
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