John D. Brey
Well-Known Member
Birdman said:>> Would you entertain the possibility that women, blacks, Jews, and whites, all have different ceilings when it comes to different achievements?<<
Different individuals have different ceiling for different achievements. A 4'9" person isn't going to be able to dunk a basketball, or even paint a ceiling, as well as a 7' 5" individual. But although there are different extreme tails on the distributions for each of those groups, there is far more overlap. The average individuals of each group are going to be far closer to each other, than they are to other individuals within their own group. . . Increasing the pool of people engaged in any activity, and the level of skill and talent will likely go up.. . . Groups (not individuals) who lag behind the average in some skill are likely held back by some issue in developing their talent, rather than having far different innate skills.
Would it be fair to say that Jewish persons excel in certain skills? That they have apparent innate skills that serve them well in certain endeavors? And that the same can be said in regards to African Americans?
Is it unfair that CNN hires a grossly disproportionate number of Jewish journalists? Or are they just hiring the most qualified persons? Does the NBA discriminate against Mexicans and and midgets? Or are they merely hiring the most qualified persons?
Once it's agreed that different races and creeds excel at different things (Jewish person don't generally make pork sausage as well as Polish Christians), the next hurdle is determining if excelling at different things suggests of some sort of inferiority or superiority? Say for instance that Jews excel at mind work while African Americans, in the aggregate, excel at physical things, sports and heavy lifting (so to say).
Is it possible to go further in that direction without offending the affirmative-action taking place in a lot of people's souls?
Can we question whether Jews, for instance, excel at so many things, and most of them related to acquisition of money, power, and prestige (and the advancement of society as a whole), while some other races, ethnicity, or religious persuasions, lag way behind in anything that leads to power or money or control, or the evolution toward a fair and equitable society, that we would want to say Jews are basically (at least in the aggregate) superior ---- such that we would no longer think that prejudice is in play when Jews get jobs in a disproportionate number and in a disproportionate number of industries?
What if it's true, empirically, factually, and truthfully, that some races are grossly inferior (scientifically speaking)? What if some creeds and religions are grossly inferior when it comes to empirical determinations, factual determinations, on usefulness, power acquisition, or advancing society?
John