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Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by LightofTruth, Aug 20, 2019.

  1. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Excuses, excuses. My years in graduate school taught me that if you want to find the answers, you have to do the research. I did the research. I studied under the author. I bought the book. Now it’s your turn.
     
  2. Road Less Traveled

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    Who knows. Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things other than for people to argue mindlessly over?

    The words human being mean hu(god) in man and vicariously being through to some cultures. (god(s) vicariously being/living through man.) god(s) having a human experience.

    Or to some the human aspect is an animal and the being is the divinity in man.

    Or the human aspect is the lower self and the being aspect is the higher self.

    I’d imagine if JC was a literal dude, became human, it would be another god having a human experience. Perhaps a god that experienced being human to understand its conditions while not being susceptible to the human ways. Who knows.
     
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    Show and tell
    This is not a school but a forum
    The burden of proof is on the presenter
    I say Jesus is fully man - just as the Bible say
    not from an opinion of a fallible pathetic man.


    Hebrews 2:16-18 New International Version (NIV)

    For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    I provided you with the link. If you’re too lazy or scared to read it that’s not my problem. It’s against forum rules to post lengthy material from other sites.

    The author is highly respected in the field of biblical studies. If you don’t want to read it, that’s your loss.
     
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    MJFlores Well-Known Member

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    I won't miss it.
    Because I do not know the guy.
    Not worth it.
    I'll stick to the Bible.

    No explanation on your part
    No elaboration
    It is a dud

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  7. Desert Snake

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    If you can't explain who your g-d is, besides a name, i have no idea why you are calling [it? g-d.

    Your churches totally bamboozled you into worshipping the 'unknown g-d', or rather, "something else".

    No reason to disparage the unknown g-d , here.
     
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    The Catholics and the Protestants claim that they too believe that there is only one true God. However, they also uphold the doctrine that there are three persons in one God (they call it the doctrine of the Trinity). Thus, for them, there's God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. If ask how these three persons become one God, the answer you are likely to received is that this is a mystery.

    Which is truly biblical? The doctrine uphold by Catholics and Protestants that there are three persons in one God or the doctrine uphold by the Church of Christ that there is only one true God, the Father and no one else besides Him?



    What the Old Testament
    Teaches about God

    Numerous passages of the Old Testament confirm the teaching that there is only one true God, the Father, and no one else besides Him. In Malachi 2:10, the Old Testament clear tells us that the one God who created us is the Father:


    “Have we not all one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our fathers by breaking faith with one another?” (Mal. 2:10 NIV)

    Isaiah 64:8 confirms that the Father is the Lord who created us:


    “But you are our father, LORD. We are like clay, and you are like the potter. You created us,” (Is. 64:8 TEV)


    The Old Testament attests that there is no other God but the Lord (our Father):


    “How great you are, O Sovereign LORD! There is no one like you, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears.” (II Samuel 9:22 NIV)

    The Lord God Himself declares that there is no other God besides Him:


    “Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one." (Is. 44:8 NIV)

    The Old Testament further declares that there is no other god with Him:


    “For I will give honour to the name of the Lord: let our God be named great. ‎He is the Rock, complete is his work; for all his ways are righteousness: a God without evil who keeps faith, true and upright is he.

    “‎So the Lord only was his guide, no other god was with him.” (Dt. 32:3-4 and 12 Bible Basic English)


    Thus, the teaching of the Old Testament about God is clear, that there is one true God, the Father.


    What the New Testament
    Teaches about God

    According to Apostle Paul, for true Christians there is only one true God, the Father:


    “Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live…” (I Cor. 8:6 NIV)


    They learned this from the Lord Jesus Christ who Himself taught that the Father is the only true God:


    “After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.

    “Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” (John 17:1, 3 NIV)


    According to Apostle Paul, the Father who is the one true God is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ:


    “If I have to ‘brag’ about myself, I'll brag about the humiliations that make me like Jesus. The eternal and blessed God and Father of our Master Jesus knows I'm not lying.” (II Cor. 11:30-31, The Message)

    Even Apostle Peter attested that the one true God is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ:


    “Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.” (I Peter 1:3 NIV)

    Thus, the New Testament is also clear in its teachings about God, that there is only one true God, the Father.
     
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    ...which he has helped to translate from Greek, so you can read it...

    This is the scholar who’s not “worth your time.”


    It’s like biting off the hand that feeds you...
     
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    The Scripture was translated from the Greek long before your scholar.
     
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    They don't get it and they never will.
     
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    The reason they don't get it is because they have fallen for the false doctrine of an immortal soul.

    The apostle Paul quotes from the O.T. when he speaks about the resurrection of the dead. he says that death is swallowed up in victory when the faithful are raised immortal. But the trinitarian doesn't know that death means to be dead so they see things through colored spectacles with warped lenses.
     
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    No, it's quite obvious you have some odd entity, [its described somewhere. I dont want a g-d like that, it's pretty bizarre.
     
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    If the trinitarian knew the truth that Jesus is one person with one mind then he would know that the person who is Jesus died and was raised again from the dead. And if he knew this he would have to abandon trinitarianism based on the fact that God cannot die.
     
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    Do you know the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ?
     
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    The question is, what do you mean by that. Christianity varies, concerning that.
     
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    The fact is, Jesus is one person. Even trinitarians realize that. And that one person has a God and Father. The one true God does not have a God. Jesus does.
     
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    You need a better argument than that. I'm not playing the scriptural devils advocate anymore, either.
     
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    Do yourself a favor, and formulate new arguments. The usual hodge podge trash pile is worthless.

    Entirely new arguments.
     
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    It's a perfectly good argument. Would you care to explain why not?
     
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