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Featured Both fully God and fully man

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by LightofTruth, Aug 20, 2019.

  1. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

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    I believe that is evident from the words of Jesus "The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak." He has to be talking about the mind because the rest of the body can't make decisions.

    I believe Jesus reveals that the Spirit can overrule the mind by saying this: "Be of good cheer I have overcome the world."

    I believe that is conjecture. The Bible evidence is that He was treated as though He were a man but the truth is that He is a creation and God could have worked the DNA any way He pleased. What can be said for sure is that Jesus is half human since Mary provided her part.

    I believe the fully God is not true either although it doesn't matter because God can't be separated into pieces.

     
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  2. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

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    I believe it could happen but the scripture indicated it may not have happened for the human part and definitely did not happen for the God part. It happened for you because there were no extenuating circumstances. I have a niece who is not fully a daughter because she is adopted.
     
  3. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

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    I believe God did not cease being God and did not become anything else.

    I believe you are not allowed to make up your own rules about that.
     
  4. dianaiad

    dianaiad Well-Known Member

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    Does she know you don't think she's fully a 'daughter,' and somehow less than a full member of your family?
     
  5. MJFlores

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    A very colorful answer
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    Its like a kaleidoscope
    But I failed to see the meaning
    But you did put a lot of effort assigning colors to your words
     
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    Not making up my own rules, simply speaking from a logical perspective and trying to stay in line with the bible itself however, the bible itself contradicts the bible.
     
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    You can't be both man and god because man needs to go take a dump, god does not. Are you saying a Human was taking a dump through god? sorry, you make 0 sense. The very second any part of God "needs" (taking a dump for example) or depends on anything (food,water) he ceases to God as God should be independent of anything.
     
  8. Muffled

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    I believe she knows she was adopted and I think she met her birth mother once.
     
  9. Muffled

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    I believe then that you logic is flawed. Reading one of your later responses shows why. You think God takes a dump but it is the body that does that. The Spirit does not even have to pay attention to that. You are right that the limitations of the body do limit God while inside the body but God is everywhere so He is not limited outside of the body. My wife once asked the question "if God is in Jesus then who is running the Universe." The answer is simple because God is everywhere He is still able to rule the universe.

    I believe then yo should be familiar with this verse:
    Phil 2:7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

    I believe that doesn't happen. It is just people misunderstanding the Bible that think it has contradictions.
     
  10. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

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    I believe I tie my answers in to what you said by using the same color. That way you know which statement I am referring to in my answer.
     
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    that wasn't the question. Does she know you don't think of her as fully your daughter? That she is something 'less,' or at least, 'other?"

    Because trust me on this, that's not a good thing.
     
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    Phil 2 is a wonderful chapter. That is one of many verses that people take out of context too. Alot of people think it is God taking on a form of a man. Which is not good. God does not bring himself down to our level, we are suppose to bring ourselves up to him. Our minds our suppose to think of spiritual things and be lifted up to him and not down to think of earthly ways. That is why separation is all through scripture. But I think you were talking about verses 6-8?

    6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
    7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
    8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    What bible are you reading from? I was looking at KJV, which is different from yours alittle. But no worries. That's fine.

    Verse 6 "Being in the form of God'. Great verse. But it doesnt mean that Jesus was God or very God. How was Christ in the form of God? He had the semblance and demeanour of the Father mentally and morally. His character was the express image of his Father's person. (Heb. 1:3). We are suppose to manifest our God's charactor in us too. To have a spiritual mind as Paul puts it.

    "Thought it not robbery to be equal with God" is generally acknowledged to be a poor translation. The R.S.V. reads as follows: "He did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped."

    Unlike Eve who grasped after the fruit which was to be desired to make one like God (the "elohim") to know good and evil, Jesus refused to take the kingdoms of the world without the crucifixion of the flesh and the declaration of the righteousness of his Father. In the Garden of Gethsemane he subjected his will to his Father's, not arrogating to himself prerogatives that rightly belonged to his Father. (Matt. 26:39).

    We know that Jesus gave God the glory in everything that he did. Everything. The Jews thought that Jesus was saying that he was equal or that he was God, but they didnt understand and Jesus DID put them in their place. But 'being in the form of God" is a good thing. That is what we strive for too. Being like God and being like Jesus.
    "Being born in the likeness of men". Should be, "made in the likeness of men". Great verse. Shows us that Christ was like us. Was born a man, same nature. Heb 2. Even in the OT everyone knew that the "coming" Messiah was going to be a man like them. Deut 18 and 2 Sam 7. Too many Psalms to list too.

    That's like saying that Jesus is God because he said that he and the father are one. If that's the case, we are part of a Trinity too. Look at John 17, "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."
    22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
    23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

    Even when we get baptized, we are now "in Christ". We are now in a covenant relationship with our Heavenly Father.
     
  14. Muffled

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    I believe you ought to know the meaning of words.

    form: noun
    1. 1.
      the visible shape or configuration of something.
      "the form, color, and texture of the tree"
    2. 2.
      a particular way in which a thing exists or appears; a manifestation.
      "her obsession has taken the form of compulsive exercise"
    So basically it means that Jesus was the existence of God. I believe it is not proper to personalize characteristics of God. He is one not a bunch of disparate characteristics.

    I believe that says He is God.

    I don't believe that has anything to do with it. Jesus did not have to grasp Godliness because He was already God. Or if you like the other verse he wouldn't have considered Himself robbing God of Godliness because it already belonged to Him.

    I believe Jesus has two natures, The Spirit of God and the flesh. It is the flesh that doesn't like to be wracked with pain. The Spirit of God is willing.

    I believe we are since that is what the Paraclete is all about.
     
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    I wouldn't tell her that nor act like it if I can help it. However in the future when she is mature I believe I could tell her and help to understand it.

    I believe my own flesh and blood are still not my children. All children belong to God. I just have the privilege of nurturing them through their youth. I think they pretty much shrug when I tell them how much DNA they have inherited from me.

     
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    I have a brother. Adopted. One of my daughters, who is coming up to forty and still unmarried, is planning to go through social services to see if she can adopt a sibling group. So, genetically my brother isn't (he's actually a cousin), and my new grandchildren will be...who knows? I don't care. He is my brother, and the thought of new grandchildren is a glory and a wonder.

    There is absolutely no difference in the position my brother has in our lives than that of my 'natural born' sisters, and those grandchildren, whoever they are, will be my GRANDCHILDREN. Mine. There is no difference between them, and I only think 'adopted' and 'different' with my brother at times like this, when the subject comes up. In other words, hardly ever.

    Yes, we are all the children of God first, But then they are also OUR children, whether my womb (or my mother's) carried them for nine months or not, or whether they were breast or bottle fed for a year or so. They are ours for a very long time, and they are not different because of the way they appeared in our lives.

    Of course, since I am LDS, and we believe that 'family is forever,' quite literally, perhaps adoption is seen a bit differently than you would. I don't think I've ever run into someone who thought the way you do, but (shrug) as long as you and your kids (both 'yours' and 'not yours') are OK with it, I shouldn't comment. I mean, I DID, but I shouldn't.
     
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    You know it is more credible if your belief corresponds with the Bible
    It would be more correct if your belief lines up what the Bible says
    Not the other way around.

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    The Bible describes people who believe that Jesus is God and it ain't pretty

    2 John 7-8 J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
    For the world is becoming full of impostors—men who will not admit that Jesus the Christ really became man. Now this is the very spirit of deceit and is anti-Christ. Take care of yourselves; don’t throw away all the labour that has been spent on you, but persevere till God gives you your reward.


    2 John 7 The Message (MSG)
    There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist!


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    Jesus was heaven on earth.
     
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    We should get all our answers from the Bible
    Each of one of us have his own preferences but we should set aside those biases to know the real truth
    When Paul preached in Rome [and this was a long time since Jesus was taken up to heaven]
    Did Paul preached Jesus as a God? Did Paul preached Jesus as the heaven on earth?
    Let us check the truth written in the Bible

    Romans 5:17-19 New International Version (NIV)
    For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

    Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

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    Apostle Paul preached to the Romans that Jesus is the one man whose obedience, many will be made righteous. This is contrary to other people beliefs now days that Jesus is fully God. It is also opposite to others belief that Jesus is a place like heaven. [unless it was intended as a metaphor]
     
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    You believe.......... that he is God?
    You believe.......... he has two natures? What does scripture tell us?...........

    Read those verses again!!

    "........thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Oh.... dont stop there my friend!!!.... "But made himself of no reputation,........" Paul's explaining what the Jews thought that Jesus was doing. But he's saying, no, he didnt!!

    Let's keep on reading..........

    9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
    10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
    11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


    That's co-equal?!!!!! Are you serious? God gives Jesus everything!! Without God, Jesus can do NOTHING.

    Everything is to the glory of God. Everything.
     
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