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Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by LightofTruth, Aug 20, 2019.

  1. LightofTruth

    LightofTruth Active Member

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    It depends on which Trinit
    Lol, so true.
     
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    Wow! there are so many Trinitarian definitions out there it's mind boggling
     
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    There are hundreds of verses in the Bible that says that Jesus Christ is a man. Remember the biblical fact that God is not Man and Man is not God. Thus, the fact that the Bible explicitly pronounced that Jesus is a man is equivalent of saying that He is not God.

    Christ’s statements in Luke 24:39 is also tacitly teaching us that He is not God. Remember that prior to this event, The Lord Jesus Christ had earlier instructed the disciples about the nature of God. He taught them that God is a spirit (cf. John 4:24). The apostles mistook Him for a spirit which is tantamount to falsely thinking of Christ as having the same nature as God or being God Himself. But, Jesus immediately corrected their wrong conclusion concerning His nature. He emphasized to them that He is not a spirit (Luke 24:39), which is equivalent to saying that He is not God in His state of being.

    Jesus’ statement in John 8:40 and Luke 24:39 serve as His didactical teaching to anyone who would think of Him as God. The clarification He made to those who thought of Him as a spirit is a reminder to anyone who would mistakenly think of Him as God. Whenever someone has a question regarding the true nature of Jesus Christ, he should be reminded simply about Jesus’ own statements in Luke 24:39 and His acknowledgment of His nature in John 8:40 wherein He emphatically declared “I am a man.”

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    Acts 4:10 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
    be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by him this man is standing before you well.

    Romans 10:9 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
    because, if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

    Galatians 1:1 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
    Paul an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead



    This is how Tomas' exclamation looks like

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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    I’m talking about the doctrine. The one espoused by the historic branches of the church.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Think Doctrine. There is only one Doctrine.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Remember the biblical fact that Jesus is fully God and fully human.
     
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    And how does that go?

    Does Jesus have two minds and two wills?
     
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    And how does that go?

    Does Jesus have two minds and two wills?
     
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    And how does that go?

    Does Jesus have two minds and two wills?
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Read it. Jesus has two natures, but one will.

    You can’t just make up stuff about the doctrine and then refute it. That constitutes a straw man.
     
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    If he has only one will, and he is God, how can he say that it is not his will that he die but the will of his Father?
     
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    That's not Biblical fact friend.
    That's not Biblical fact friend.
     
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    Because he’s differentiating between human will and Divine will. Remember: Jesus is as much an avatar for humanity as he is for Divinity.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    I’m sorry you feel that way.
     
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    John 8:39-40 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
    They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do what Abraham did, but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God; this is not what Abraham did.


    What the Biblical Facts are:
    1. Jesus described himself as a man NOT fully God and fully human -
    2. Jesus said he told the truth which he heard from God THUS he listened to God while God spoke
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    You’re going circles. The Bible also describes Jesus in terms of Divinity. The resurrection is a glaring example. Resurrection is reserved for Divinity.
     
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    The memes are cute. But your time would be much better spent in exegetical endeavors. If you were aware of the cultural anthropology of resurrection in the ancient, Mid Eastern experience, you wouldn’t embarrass yourself with the meme.
     
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    You have not shown any bible verse to prove your fake bible facts
    What we are seeing are just your unsupported messed up opinions
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    I provided several quite biblical examples. You must have missed them in the construction of banality you’ve provided.

    For an excellent study on the theological implications of resurrection I mentioned, let me provide this source from an eminent scholar: https://www.westarinstitute.org/store/the-trouble-with-resurrection/
     
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