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Featured Both fully God and fully man

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by LightofTruth, Aug 20, 2019.

  1. lostwanderingsoul

    lostwanderingsoul Well-Known Member

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    Jesus sits on the right hand of .....himself?
     
  2. MJFlores

    MJFlores Well-Known Member

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    The scholar cannot explain why the bible says

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    And you relied your faith on some nincompoop?

    Tell me why does it state in

    Acts 4:10 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
    be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by him this man is standing before you well.

    Q: Who raised Jesus Christ from the dead?
    A: God did
    Conclusion: Jesus Christ isn't God because God raised him from the dead. A 4th grader could distinguish that. Why can't you???

    Romans 10:9 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
    because, if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

    Who raise who?
    Who was dead?
    Who revived who was dead?

    Galatians 1:1 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
    Paul an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
     
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  3. lostwanderingsoul

    lostwanderingsoul Well-Known Member

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    Yes, Jesus is God. But Jesus is not the Father. Sure sounds like two separate entities.
     
  4. MJFlores

    MJFlores Well-Known Member

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    When people use a hard to understand version of the bible
    What happens? confusion and misinterpretation
    It would be nice if people disclose the version of the bible
    So people would be aware if the translation was faithful
    When eating or drinking, we are concerned about where the food and drinks came from
    if not then we might as well eat from the trash bin and drink from the toilet seat

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    Hebrews 2:16-18 New International Version (NIV)

    For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

    Unlike your unlabeled bible version, the NIV says the Lord Jesus Christ was made like Abraham's descendants and the bible says the Lord Jesus Christ is fully human in every way. An idiot would read something which is not written and we are not idiots - we really don't want to become one.

    Matthew 28:18 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
    And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

    Now the question is, who gave Jesus all authority in heaven and earth?
    Apparently Jesus is the receiver and for the receiver to receive something, there must be a giver.
    Who is the giver?
    We should take our answers from the Bible

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    Matthew 9:1-8 New International Version (NIV)
    Jesus stepped into a boat, crossed over and came to his own town. Some men brought to him a paralyzed man, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, “Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven.”

    At this, some of the teachers of the law said to themselves, “This fellow is blaspheming!”

    Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, “Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts? Which is easier: to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up and walk’? But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the paralyzed man, “Get up, take your mat and go home.” Then the man got up and went home. When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe; and they praised God, who had given such authority to man.

    Who is that man? Jesus Christ.
    Who gave Jesus such authority? It was God.
    Jesus Christ received what God gave.
    Jesus is not God
     
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  5. LightofTruth

    LightofTruth Active Member

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    Duh what
     
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    LightofTruth Active Member

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    In that case we are to understand God to be the Father alone. Duh what
     
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    LightofTruth Active Member

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    One doctrine but so many explanations. The only thing Trinitarians can agree upon is that Jesus is God. beyond that it's a free-for-all
     
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    NIV is not a literal translation. In fact the good ol' KJV is much more literal; even though it's not a dedicated literal translation. I can't help it if people can't understand old words used the KJV. People should do their own research with any post I make. If you want a more modern literal translation we can use one of those. Use the NIV if you want; but when it comes to debates we need a literal translation.

    Besides, the KJV is the only version that is linked on this website. So I stick with it; unless I find a passage questionable in the KJV.

    As for your comparison. I don't think it's right or fair. I like the good ol' KJV. It's not perfect but it's definitely not toilet water.
     
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    74x12 Well-Known Member

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    You've never heard of modalism?
     
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    The "sitting on the right hand of God" is a symbol and position of authority. This is why Jesus says clearly that they will see the "Son of man" coming on the clouds and sitting on the right hand of "power". (Matthew 26:64)

    So it is the Son of man who was God manifest in human form and is still in glorified human form that sits on the right hand. Why? Why would God do this? Because the Son of man's work is not finished until all His enemies are made His footstool.

    This is clear from 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. Please read it. The Son will sit on the right hand and He will reign until all things are subdued to Him then comes the end only after that. Then the Son will deliver the kingdom to God.

    So in other words; the Son's work is not finished. That is why He still sits on the right hand in glorified human form. So that He can subdue all humanities enemies under His human feet. For our sakes. Not for His own sake! Because these enemies had no power over Him. He does it for us. He did all things for us. Now, we know He is God manifest; who did all things for us and He gave all glory to the invisible God. As we also should do. Because Jesus didn't come to seek His own glory. He came for the glory that was reserved for Him from the foundation of the world. The glory that only God could give Him. Which is the glory of the cross and the resurrection.
     
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    KJV is alright. I often use the NIV, ERV, GNT, - I do not stick my faith in just one version or translation. As long it was translated faithfully. My personal choice would be the NIV but I would use other versions if a NIV translation is in error to squeeze the truth out.

    Now, I recommend people to DISCLOSE and REVEAL what Bible version they are using - so that people could VERIFY the words posted. False teachers do not want verification because they want to get the lie out. What is the sinister reason why people do not want to disclose their bible version for verification?

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    Maybe their translation looks like this.
     
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  12. LightofTruth

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    I would suggest that you inform the Trinitarians that their doctrine is incorrect. Tell them Jesus is an avatar for humanity and not fully man by having the mind and will of man.
     
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    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    I'd agree Jesus is fully man.

    Made up and puppeteered 100%.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Of course, you didn’t read it before condemning it.

    Typical.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    It’s like explaining music theory to an ant...
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    You haven’t really read any of my replies.

    Typical.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Nope. Not modalism.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    You would suggest a lot of bad advice, I’m afraid.
     
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    Shakazuluuuuu Deist I guess what that is

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    Fully has a humans faults, failures, and weaknesses. I agree with that.
     
  20. MJFlores

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    The mere fact you showed the link shows you want me to reveal your alleged proof.
    Second, opening untrusted links poses dangers on my computer
    A long time ago an old computer programmer almost enticed me to open an attachment filled with computer viruses.

    Therefore it is recommended to show and tell
    Show the specific text by "copy and paste"
    and then show the link

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    You would show a large area and say the truth is out there
    and you expect me to find it? I think that is a lot of bull manure.
    Show us the alien and then show us where you found it.
    Your find, your evidence.
     
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