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Biden Will Establish A Gender Policy Council Within The White House

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Yeah those guys were the ones being praised.
It was...odd.

Well I was being somewhat hyperbolic. But Nazis are by definition a far right ideology. I don’t know how one is a far leftist and a Nazi, without some severe cognitive dissonance. A Tankie, sure. But a Nazi and being on the far left? Ehh, not buying it.
There's more leftist strains of National Socialism, such as Strasserism, which takes the socialist part seriously. Both Fascism and NS cannot be neatly categorized as right or left. They're syncretic ideologies.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
There's more leftist strains of National Socialism, such as Strasserism, which takes the socialist part seriously. Both Fascism and NS cannot be neatly categorized as right or left. They're syncretic ideologies.
Yeah fair point. I just have had bad experiences with mostly Americans, if I’m honest, conflating radical lefties and Nazis before. Not on this forum, mind you. But enough to be a little defensive.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yeah, that is also that. Here is another, which is meta one as it is about morality:
political-camps-moral-foundations.png


And here is a psychological one about cognition. That one also relates to politics in a meta-sense.
800px-Kohlberg_Model_of_Moral_Development.svg.png

The examples or reasons given relates to this story.
Heinz dilemma

Note none of these 2 theories are true. They are different ways of understanding and give different insights.

It is never that simple.
I like the Nolan Chart.
Nolan-Chart.png
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I like the Nolan Chart.
Nolan-Chart.png

Yeah, but there is a possible bias in the wording as per greater economic and personal freedom. That is not enough, because there is also care and different forms of avoiding harm.
Here it is as a Dane with reference to an old Danish Law:
Jyske Lovs fortale, marts 1241

Now off course it is Danish, but here is a relevant part per Google Translate:
"...
It is the task of the king's and the rulers of the land to oversee judgments and to do justice and to save those who are forced by the wrong, such as widows and orphans, pilgrims and foreigners and the poor - those who are most often wronged - ..."

Now the problem is that a baby orphan can of course be wrong and also doesn't benefit that much from greater economic and personal freedom. So a system is great if it allows ordinary selfsustained people more greater economic and personal freedom, but that doesn't help those, who are not selfsustained.

PS I can't work and is on effect a psychological disablement pension. I know you are a statist and do care, but your model is too simple.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
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PS I can't work and is on effect a psychological disablement pension. I know you are a statist and do care, but your model is too simple.
Simple models are for illustrating concepts.
This one does that well.
If I'm a "statist", would that make you a "jailer"?
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
There's more leftist strains of National Socialism, such as Strasserism, which takes the socialist part seriously. Both Fascism and NS cannot be neatly categorized as right or left. They're syncretic ideologies.
In practice, they tend to strongly align with more moderate reactionaries in the goals they pursue, the worldview they propagate, and the kind of people they tend to attract the most. The pseudo-socialist rhetoric of a minority of fascists seems largely a superficial fashion accessory to their politics, much like their uniforms, Roman salutes, and the odd variety of runes and crosses they tend to surround themselves with. Fascism is a fundamentally vapid ideology for people who crave the trappings of revolutionary politics without the substance.
 
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