Biden "Israel killed civilians by USA bombs"

[Revoltingest]

Yup.
Never mind RF has an assortment of debates over the past couple of decades where membershave criticized and defended Israel. It's all new and people weren't doing it before.

So much whataboutism to deflect from
criticizing Israel's heinous brutality.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Which translates to "I have nothing"

Before this war started there wasn't much noise/much being said about the aid US gives Israel. Now there's plenty of both and in many places.
Hence my post "Not for the current reason"

Feel free to bring anything you have.

Literally three posts above that one, with a reference directly above it. That's as much as you get from me if you can't even pay attention the the topic here.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So much whataboutism to deflect from
criticizing Israel's heinous brutality.

Yup. And I'll keep saying a million more times, attitudes would be very and entirely different if the Natives were doing it to us.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So much whataboutism to deflect from
criticizing Israel's heinous brutality.

The brutality was the firing of thousands of rockets into Israel by the Palestinian terrorists and followed by rampant anti-semitism touting the terrorists are victims of Israeli brutality.

That's pretty messed up.

 

[We Never Know]

Literally three posts above that one, with a reference directly above it. That's as much as you get from me if you can't even pay attention the the topic here.

Looked. Didn't see anything. What post #

Surely you aren't talking about just one person in post #57 lol

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Looked. Didn't see anything. What post #

Surely you aren't talking about just one person in post #57 lol

Not my fault you don't pay attention to things outside your bubble. This forum has about a 20 year history of the topic coming up just about every time Israel and Hamas shot at eachother.

 

[shunyadragon]

Not for the current reason.

The US has been providing weapons to Israel since 1948. Israel is responsible for how it uses the weapons regardless of where the source is. Both Israel and Hamas have been intransigent as to any outside influence in their affairs,

Both sides have committed atrocities in one way or another in this conflict and the long history of their religious turf war over the Holy Lands.

When considering who to blame, Congress virtually unanimously and the people of the USA have always supported sending weapons to Israel.

Why "just" blame Biden now for the actions of Israel?

Yes, 'some' people object, but I do not see a balanced view of the atrocities on both sides.

 

[shunyadragon]

I am against civilians death,the fact is Palestinians are most victim of this long conflict,thousand of Palestinians killed ,and million of refugees around the world,

The people who attack the invaders armed men are called terrorists, and those who attack civilian women and children are called Defence Forces! What an irony! What an education!

This is most definitely a contorted view of the conflict. The Hamas is an organized army attacking Israel. Israel is an organized army attacking Gaza.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The brutality was the firing of thousands of rockets into Israel by the Palestinian terrorists and followed by rampant anti-semitism touting the terrorists are victims of Israeli brutality.

That's pretty messed up.

Has he said terrorists are the victims?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Has he said terrorists are the victims?

Have I mentioned him specifically?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Have I mentioned him specifically?

It seems suspect saying it in response to his post amd he has been frequently labeled an anti-Semite lately for nothing more that criticized extreme state violence against an oppressed people.

 

[esmith]

Fascinating.
Most homes destroyed, & most people displaced.
Many tens of thousands dead, maimed, & starving.
Plans to boot'm all to Africa.
And it's not genocide.....just normal "self defense" in war.

As far as I'm concerned, yes. By the way the best defense is offense.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yup. And I'll keep saying a million more times, attitudes would be very and entirely different if the Natives were doing it to us.

For most people, rights, virtue, & responsibilities aren't
fundamental things. They all depend not upon actions,
but upon identity, ie, whose ox is being gored.
Muslims are bad. Jews are sainted. Christians are good.
Westerners are significant. Others are irrelevant.
So genocide can be heinous or meh.
Human rights can be sacred or absent.
They never see this as a double standard.
Their brains aren't wired that way.

 

[Revoltingest]

The brutality was the firing of thousands of rockets into Israel by the.....

Do you see any brutality beforehand?
Any by Israel towards Palestinians?

 

[We Never Know]

Not my fault you don't pay attention to things outside your bubble. This forum has about a 20 year history of the topic coming up just about every time Israel and Hamas shot at eachother.

Not my fault you cant support what you said or understand current reasons.

 

[Revoltingest]

As far as I'm concerned, yes. By the way the best defense is offense.

That is an illuminating post.

 

[We Never Know]

The US has been providing weapons to Israel since 1948. Israel is responsible for how it uses the weapons regardless of where the source is. Both Israel and Hamas have been intransigent as to any outside influence in their affairs,

Both sides have committed atrocities in one way or another in this conflict and the long history of their religious turf war over the Holy Lands.

When considering who to blame, Congress virtually unanimously and the people of the USA have always supported sending weapons to Israel.

Why "just" blame Biden now for the actions of Israel?

Yes, 'some' people object, but I do not see a balanced view of the atrocities on both sides.

People are straying away from Biden because of the civilians killed.

 

[We Never Know]

The US has been providing weapons to Israel since 1948. Israel is responsible for how it uses the weapons regardless of where the source is. Both Israel and Hamas have been intransigent as to any outside influence in their affairs,

Both sides have committed atrocities in one way or another in this conflict and the long history of their religious turf war over the Holy Lands.

When considering who to blame, Congress virtually unanimously and the people of the USA have always supported sending weapons to Israel.

Why "just" blame Biden now for the actions of Israel?

Yes, 'some' people object, but I do not see a balanced view of the atrocities on both sides.

Many people think the US gave Israel the iron dome. Not true.
Also the US purchased two from Israel in 2020. One or two other countries have also purchased the iron dome from Israel.

Iron Dome was created by Israeli firms Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and Israel Aerospace Industries, with some US support"

What is Israel's Iron Dome missile system and how does it work?

Israel says casualties from rocket attacks would have been "far higher" without the system.

www.bbc.com

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you see any brutality beforehand?
Any by Israel towards Palestinians?

It's war. Maybe if the Palestinians don't keep attacking first that will stop.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's war. Maybe if the Palestinians don't keep attacking first that will stop.

Do you ever consider what happened before Oct 7?
How did Israel treat Palestinians?