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Featured Being objective in religion

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by robocop (actually), Dec 31, 2018.

  1. robocop (actually)

    robocop (actually) Well-Known Member
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    If you want to spread your religion or have a better understanding of yours, I think it helps to be objective.

    Objective means, "not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts."

    I would redefine it as, "conveyed with reasons that will make sense to many different people instead of something that other people don't know what is good about".

    If we have reasons to give for what we believe in our religions, we have a better chance of passing them off. Sometimes part of the religion is believed because it is a piece of the whole religion which has reasons.

    Now that I am baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I hope to be objective so people can have a chance to fairly decide if they like my religion. I believe that you can only know something as well as you know the opposite to be wrong, so I will talk about many other things besides just the LDS Church in my efforts.
     
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  2. Sunstone

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    Is there something you wish to debate?
     
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    What are your feelings towards saints being 'like gods' in the kingdom of heaven?

    I think Catholic mystics and LDS have very similar beliefs on this.
     
  4. robocop (actually)

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    I was just hoping people could agree that being objective would help everyone spread their religions or come to the truth.
    I'll have to get back to you. It's not mystical to me because we become Gods under God. If we became another full-blown God that would be magical/mystical. Will try to get back to you in explaining this.
     
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    "Mystical" and "magical" have no relationship with one another. I hope you're willing to understand that attempts to correlate the two, are rooted in fundamentalist / Protestant hatred. Always have been.
     
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  6. youknowme

    youknowme Whatever you want me to be.

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    The best way to be objective when it comes to religion is to accept that it is subjective.
     
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  7. Sunstone

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    Sounds like a great idea, but very hard to execute.
     
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    youknowme Whatever you want me to be.

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    Everyone just needs to stop thinking themselves, and realize that my way is the best way. That is I say we should do stuff and things except on our day of rest in which we should do things and stuff.
     
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    While I'm coming up with my own answer on becoming like God, here is a talk that may help you:

    The Father - By Brian K. Ashton
     
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    That's why it's important to understand the difference between mysticism and fundamentalism... Fundamentalism is the submission to scripture, and mysticism ties the conscience to God.
     
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    Catholics also believe that we become gods.
     
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    I'm not actually seeking help, but thanks for the link.
     
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    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    Uhhh...religion, by it's very existence, has to be totally subjective. Don't you agree?
     
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    It all looks the same to me, just people making stuff up then pretending their version is "better". I reject it all, even those non-believers that claim to be nonreligious then spend a godawful amount of time talking about God. Nobody knows squat, and no that does not make me agnostic; they are the worst of the bunch always pretending they are better, because they have taken the "middle ground."

    It is all just a bunch of ego poo flinging if you ask me.
     
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    Religion would be much better off if we just dropped all these labels.
     
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    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    Everyone has to find their own truth...
     
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    But if you notice, talking to fundamentalists, they do seem very cold-hearted. There is a difference in these tendencies.
     
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    A lot of religion is based on subjective and even supernatural experience, so it can never be completely "objective" in the sense that the sciences are (which deal with the observable and natural experiences).

    But yes, when you get past the reasons for belief into the realm of formal reasoning about those beliefs, then yes, one's beliefs should be objectively rational.
     
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    They certainly tend to think they do, they act as if they can't define all of existence from their living-room chair they might explode.
     
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    Kudos. You just found your own truth...
     
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