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Being objective in religion

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
If you want to spread your religion or have a better understanding of yours, I think it helps to be objective.

Objective means, "not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts."

I would redefine it as, "conveyed with reasons that will make sense to many different people instead of something that other people don't know what is good about".

If we have reasons to give for what we believe in our religions, we have a better chance of passing them off. Sometimes part of the religion is believed because it is a piece of the whole religion which has reasons.

Now that I am baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I hope to be objective so people can have a chance to fairly decide if they like my religion. I believe that you can only know something as well as you know the opposite to be wrong, so I will talk about many other things besides just the LDS Church in my efforts.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
If you want to spread your religion or have a better understanding of yours, I think it helps to be objective.

Objective means, "not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts."

I would redefine it as, "conveyed with reasons that will make sense to many different people instead of something that other people don't know what is good about".

If we have reasons to give for what we believe in our religions, we have a better chance of passing them off. Sometimes part of the religion is believed because it is a piece of the whole religion which has reasons.

Now that I am baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I hope to be objective so people can have a chance to fairly decide if they like my religion. I believe that you can only know something as well as you know the opposite to be wrong, so I will talk about many other things besides just the LDS Church in my efforts.

What are your feelings towards saints being 'like gods' in the kingdom of heaven?

I think Catholic mystics and LDS have very similar beliefs on this.
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Is there something you wish to debate?
I was just hoping people could agree that being objective would help everyone spread their religions or come to the truth.
What are your feelings towards Saints being 'like gods' in the kingdom of heaven?

I think Catholic mystics and LDS have very similar beliefs on this
I'll have to get back to you. It's not mystical to me because we become Gods under God. If we became another full-blown God that would be magical/mystical. Will try to get back to you in explaining this.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
I was just hoping people could agree that being objective would help everyone spread their religions or come to the truth.

I'll have to get back to you. It's not mystical to me because we become Gods under God. If we became another full-blown God that would be magical/mystical. Will try to get back to you in explaining this.

"Mystical" and "magical" have no relationship with one another. I hope you're willing to understand that attempts to correlate the two, are rooted in fundamentalist / Protestant hatred. Always have been.
 
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youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
Sounds like a great idea, but very hard to execute.
Everyone just needs to stop thinking themselves, and realize that my way is the best way. That is I say we should do stuff and things except on our day of rest in which we should do things and stuff.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Everyone just needs to stop thinking themselves, and realize that my way is the best way. That is I say we should do stuff and things except on our day of rest in which we should do things and stuff.

That's why it's important to understand the difference between mysticism and fundamentalism... Fundamentalism is the submission to scripture, and mysticism ties the conscience to God.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
If you want to spread your religion or have a better understanding of yours, I think it helps to be objective.

Objective means, "not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts."

I would redefine it as, "conveyed with reasons that will make sense to many different people instead of something that other people don't know what is good about".

If we have reasons to give for what we believe in our religions, we have a better chance of passing them off. Sometimes part of the religion is believed because it is a piece of the whole religion which has reasons.

Now that I am baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I hope to be objective so people can have a chance to fairly decide if they like my religion. I believe that you can only know something as well as you know the opposite to be wrong, so I will talk about many other things besides just the LDS Church in my efforts.


Uhhh...religion, by it's very existence, has to be totally subjective. Don't you agree?
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
That's why mysticism is better than fundamentalism... Because fundamentalism is the mindless submission to scripture, and mysticism ties the conscience to God.

It all looks the same to me, just people making stuff up then pretending their version is "better". I reject it all, even those non-believers that claim to be nonreligious then spend a godawful amount of time talking about God. Nobody knows squat, and no that does not make me agnostic; they are the worst of the bunch always pretending they are better, because they have taken the "middle ground."

It is all just a bunch of ego poo flinging if you ask me.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
It all looks the same to me, just people making stuff up then pretending their version is "better". I reject it all, even those non-believers that claim to be nonreligious then spend a godawful amount of time talking about God. Nobody knows squat, and no that does not make me agnostic; they are the worst of the bunch always pretending they are better, because they have taken the "middle ground."

It is all just a bunch of ego poo flinging if you ask me.

Everyone has to find their own truth...
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
It all looks the same to me, just people making stuff up then pretending their version is "better". I reject it all, even those non-believers that claim to be nonreligious then spend a godawful amount of time talking about God. Nobody knows squat, and no that does not make me agnostic; they are the worst of the bunch always pretending they are better, because they have taken the "middle ground."

It is all just a bunch of ego poo flinging if you ask me.

But if you notice, talking to fundamentalists, they do seem very cold-hearted. There is a difference in these tendencies.
 

Axe Elf

Prophet
A lot of religion is based on subjective and even supernatural experience, so it can never be completely "objective" in the sense that the sciences are (which deal with the observable and natural experiences).

But yes, when you get past the reasons for belief into the realm of formal reasoning about those beliefs, then yes, one's beliefs should be objectively rational.
 
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