Baltimore bridge collapse - mass casualties

[The Hammer]

The ship is registered in Singapore if I heard correctly.

Which means little to nothing. Ships fly flags of other nations all the time for taxation purposes. Singapore is very common

 

[Twilight Hue]

That bridge looks pretty fragile. If this is a common waterway for cargoships I wonder why there wasn't better protection for the piers. Apparently this is bridge for an interstate highway, so crucial and highly used. This is going to be a serious blow to the region's transportation.

I was wondering why a cargo ship was there in the first place.

 

[anna.]

I was wondering why a cargo ship was there in the first place.

Because it's a very busy port, with lots of cargo ships?

 

[esmith]

I expect to hear that the ship could have dropped anchor and prevented the accident by some pundents; which in this case wasn't possible according to the following.

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[Jayhawker Soule]

I expect to hear that the ship could have dropped anchor and prevented the accident by some pundents

Why?

 

[ChristineM]

I expect to hear that the ship could have dropped anchor and prevented the accident by some pundents; which in this case wasn't possible according to the following.

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I read that the crew tried to drop anchor but power failure prevented it.

 

[F1fan]

All bridges are fragile....regarding being hit by ships.
This is because it's not cost effective to make a bridge
so strong that it can withstand a colliding large ship.
More practical is to have protective barriers for piers.
An example....

Sunshine Skyway Bridge - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Why no such protection for this bridge?
I don't know.

Apparently there was discussion about installing some sort of "bumpers" around the piers given the port. No doubt cost is always an issue, but in hindsight how much will the collapse cost? It's estimated to take 2 years before a new bridge is open.

 

[Altfish]

Apparently there was discussion about installing some sort of "bumpers" around the piers given the port. No doubt cost is always an issue, but in hindsight how much will the collapse cost? It's estimated to take 2 years before a new bridge is open.

I would have thought 2-years is very optimistic. Design could take 6-months or longer, you've also got to salvage the wreckage out of the river, then there is ground investigation to do, although hopefully there exists some from the original bridge.
I would expect that the shipping company's insurers will be liable for most of the costs.

 

[PureX]

The good news if we want to call it that is that it happened when there was not much traffic on the bridge. If it had fallen during rush hour many, many more lives would have been lost.

 

[PureX]

I read that the crew tried to drop anchor but power failure prevented it.

That's a common stopping tactic for ships. I was on a ship that had to do that once when the engine wouldn't reverse while entering a lock. I don't believe that a loss of power would have prevented dropping anchors, but maybe. Unfortunately, a fully loaded ship will not stop short regardless.

 

[Revoltingest]

Apparently there was discussion about installing some sort of "bumpers" around the piers given the port. No doubt cost is always an issue, but in hindsight how much will the collapse cost? It's estimated to take 2 years before a new bridge is open.

Factors they consider....
- Cost of barriers.
- Probability of collision.
- Cost of collision.

Container ships were much smaller when this bridge was
constructed. I'll bet they didn't anticipate larger modern
ones. And this ship is far from the biggest.

 

[Stevicus]

I must confess that, after that bridge collapse of I-35 in Minnesota several years ago, I have developed a somewhat irrational fear of crossing bridges. The clinical term for it is "Gephyrophobia," a fear of bridges and tunnels, although I don't seem to have a problem with tunnels. Fortunately, where I live, there are no large bodies of water or any real rivers to speak of, so I don't encounter the issue that much when driving locally.

Apparently, there are some bridges where there are services available to drive people's cars over the bridge for them if they're unable to do it. I don't think I would need to utilize such services myself, but I guess it's good to know just the same.

I was going over the Tappen Zee Bridge one time and decided to roll down all the windows of the car. I figured if the bridge collapsed, I'd be better off if I could get out of the car quickly and swim to shore. I'm not sure if that would have been the best strategy, but fortunately, the bridge didn't collapse.

 

[Revoltingest]

I must confess that, after that bridge collapse of I-35 in Minnesota several years ago, I have developed a somewhat irrational fear of crossing bridges. The clinical term for it is "Gephyrophobia," a fear of bridges and tunnels, although I don't seem to have a problem with tunnels. Fortunately, where I live, there are no large bodies of water or any real rivers to speak of, so I don't encounter the issue that much when driving locally.

Apparently, there are some bridges where there are services available to drive people's cars over the bridge for them if they're unable to do it. I don't think I would need to utilize such services myself, but I guess it's good to know just the same.

I was going over the Tappen Zee Bridge one time and decided to roll down all the windows of the car. I figured if the bridge collapsed, I'd be better off if I could get out of the car quickly and swim to shore. I'm not sure if that would have been the best strategy, but fortunately, the bridge didn't collapse.

If you think the Tappen Zee Bridge is bad,
stay away from the Zilwaukee & Mackinac
bridges in MI.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I expect to hear that the ship could have dropped anchor and prevented the accident by some pundents; which in this case wasn't possible according to the following.

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Well this seems to explain why it probably wasn't possible (from the article), and apart from just ripping the anchor off the seabed:

At slower speeds, it’s possible to drop anchors and drag them on the seafloor to gradually pull the ship to a halt, but McManus notes that this requires precision in the amount of anchor chain is released. Too little, and the anchors won’t cause enough drag on the seafloor; too much, and they’ll catch, ripping away at the sides of the ship and likely breaking off completely. “It’s a very dangerous maneuver,” McManus says. “They just didn’t have time to do it.”

 

[F1fan]

I must confess that, after that bridge collapse of I-35 in Minnesota several years ago, I have developed a somewhat irrational fear of crossing bridges. The clinical term for it is "Gephyrophobia," a fear of bridges and tunnels, although I don't seem to have a problem with tunnels. Fortunately, where I live, there are no large bodies of water or any real rivers to speak of, so I don't encounter the issue that much when driving locally.

Apparently, there are some bridges where there are services available to drive people's cars over the bridge for them if they're unable to do it. I don't think I would need to utilize such services myself, but I guess it's good to know just the same.

I was going over the Tappen Zee Bridge one time and decided to roll down all the windows of the car. I figured if the bridge collapsed, I'd be better off if I could get out of the car quickly and swim to shore. I'm not sure if that would have been the best strategy, but fortunately, the bridge didn't collapse.

I suggest you watch this every time you have anxiety about driving over a bridge.

See, it could be worse.

 

[Stevicus]

I suggest you watch this every time you have anxiety about driving over a bridge.

See, it could be worse.

I've seen that footage, as well as footage of the I-35 bridge collapse. I'll still cross bridges if I have to, and I figure I'll get across in one piece. But I'm also in a somewhat alerted and heightened state of mind, trying to prepare my mind in case the bridge should fall out from under me. I remember being in a traffic jam on a very long bridge approaching New Orleans. I was looking around trying to scout for the closest patch of land.

 

[Revoltingest]

I've seen that footage, as well as footage of the I-35 bridge collapse. I'll still cross bridges if I have to, and I figure I'll get across in one piece. But I'm also in a somewhat alerted and heightened state of mind, trying to prepare my mind in case the bridge should fall out from under me. I remember being in a traffic jam on a very long bridge approaching New Orleans. I was looking around trying to scout for the closest patch of land.

Spoiler: Don't read this

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On a Friday evening, 34 years ago today, Leslie Ann Puhlar’s car jumped the protective railing of the Mackinac Bridge and plunged 190 feet down into the wavy waters of Straits of Mackinaw. It was a puzzling accident to authorities and witnesses at the time, and it has haunted Michigan residents...

www.9and10news.com

 

[The Hammer]

That's a common stopping tactic for ships. I was on a ship that had to do that once when the engine wouldn't reverse while entering a lock. I don't believe that a loss of power would have prevented dropping anchors, but maybe. Unfortunately, a fully loaded ship will not stop short regardless.

Even with an anchor drop depending on cargo weight, chain drag length, harbor depth and composition, etc, it may not have even done anything.

 

[Colt]

A container ship collided with the Francis Scott Key bridge in Baltimore this morning. Vehicles trapped on bridge can be seen falling into river, if you're squeamish don't watch any footage please. Officials have declared a mass casualty event and rescues are under way. We'll know more later on today. Since this is a religious forum, if you believe in prayer, this would be a good time for that. If for nothing else to extend deep sympathy for victims and their families.

Watch there will be an emergency funding bill which will include funding for Ukraine, student loan bailout etc. 10% will go to fix the bridge.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Watch there will be an emergency funding bill which will include funding for Ukraine, student loan bailout etc. 10% will go to fix the bridge.

Biden already said the federal government will pay for it all.

“I have directed my team to move heaven and earth to reopen the port and rebuild the bridge as soon as humanly possible,” Biden told reporters in the White House‘s Roosevelt Room Tuesday. “It’s my intention that the federal government will pay for the entire cost of reconstructing that bridge. And I expect Congress to support my effort.”

Biden promises US government will pay for Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge reconstruction - Washington Examiner

President Joe Biden wants the federal government to pay for the reconstruction of Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge after a foreign ship caused its collapse.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I think you are right.