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Featured Bahaullah: Kitab-i-Iqan: “Book of Certitude”

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  1. paarsurrey

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    Can you please help me track down the followings?:

    100/*105*: “God was alone; there was none else besides Him.”
    101*: “This proof is His Word; His own Self, the testimony of His truth.”
    106*:“There is no distinction whatsoever between Thee and them; except that they are Thy servants, and are created of Thee.”
    106*: the tradition: “I am He, Himself, and He is I, myself.”
    107*: Even as He hath said: “Man is My mystery, and I am his mystery.”
    107*: In this connection, He Who is the eternal King—may the souls of all that dwell within the mystic Tabernacle be a sacrifice unto Him—hath spoken: “He hath known God who hath known himself.”
    109*: “Hath aught else save Thee a power of revelation which is not possessed by Thee, that it could have manifested Thee? Blind is the eye which doth not perceive Thee.”
    109*: “No thing have I perceived, except that I perceived God within it, God before it, or God after it.”
    109*: in the tradition of Kumayl it is written: “Behold, a light hath shone forth out of the Morn of eternity, and lo! its waves have penetrated the inmost reality of all men.”
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    *Passage numbers of Iqan.

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    1. Not sure where it comes from. Probably either a rough paraphrase of something from the hadith or a quote Baha'u'llah came up with himself, since he does not even say it is a hadith. But it's a common sense idea really, nothing special.
    2. This is from a khutbah of Imam Ali and is cited in Tawhid al-Imamiyyah, p. 204 on the authority of al-Tabrisi.
    3. From Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 95, p. 393. It is a dua of Imam al-Mahdi.
    4. This isn't a hadith but is a Sufi saying attributed to al-Bastami, similar to al-Hallaj's, "I am the Truth."
    5. This is said to be a hadith qudsi but I am not sure where it comes from
    6. This is actually a modified version of the eighth Delphic maxim. This saying made its way into Arabic literature do the interaction of Arab thinkers with Greek philosophy, and people began to attribute it to Muhammad, making it popular in mystical literature. Stephen Lambden (a Baha'i scholar) and others have written on this.
    7. This is from the Dua al-Arafah of Imam Husayn
    8. A hadith of Ali. Musnad al-Imam Ali, vol. 1, p. 150.
    9. This is none other than the famous Hadith al-Haqiqa / Hadith Kumayl. Incidentally, the phrase "Morn of eternity" is actually translated from Subh al-Azal (or Subh-i Azal in Persian), and as we know, this is the title which the Bab gave to Baha'u'llah's worst enemy.
     
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    Can you please help me track down the followings?:

    115: Muhammad cry out: “No Prophet of God hath suffered such harm as I have suffered.”

    118: Observe, how those in whose midst the Satan of self had for years sown the seeds of malice and hate became so fused and blended through their allegiance to this wondrous and transcendent Revelation that it seemed as if they had sprung from the same loins.

    127 ‘Alí. He, the exponent of the law of God, addressing the scribe, said: “Write thou: ‘A dead man hath bought from another dead man a house. That house is bounded by four limits. One extendeth toward the tomb, the other to the vault of the grave, the third to the Sirát, the fourth to either Paradise or hell.’”

    ooo #42 InvestigateTruth, There is a Hadith in Shia sources, which says, in our hadithes, there are Mutishabohat too. Meaning, not everything the imams said are meant to be taken literally. And there is a Hadith from Imam Reza, saying, if God wants to keep a person alive for a long time for the needs of humanity, He would have kept Muhammad alive. Meaning, the idea of keeping any person alive for a long time, is false.

    134: “He is the Dominant, above all things.”

    135: For no warrior could be found on earth more excellent and nearer to God than Husayn, son of ‘Alí, so peerless and incomparable was he. “There was none to equal or to match him in the world.”

    144: He took His flight unto the fourth Heaven.

    150: “The way is barred, and all seeking rejected.”

    152: the well-known tradition: “When the Qá’im riseth, that day is the Day of Resurrection”? In like manner, the Imáms, those unquenchable lights of divine guidance, have interpreted-...- a sign which they have unquestionably regarded as one of the features of the Day of Resurrection—as referring to the Qá’im and His manifestation.

    155: even as it is said: “The abased amongst you, He shall exalt; and they that are exalted, He shall abase.”

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    1. Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 39, p. 56.
    2. He's not quoting anything here. Not sure what you're looking for.
    3. No idea where this is from.
    4. No idea.
    5. No idea.
    6. No idea.
    7. He's not quoting anything here, and I am not sure where he is getting this story from.
    8. This is most likely taken from Shaykh Ahmad al-Ahsa'is Kitab sharh al-'arshiyyah (Jawami' al-kalim, vol. 4, p. 852).
    9. Also likely taken from K. sharh al-'arshiyyah but originally comes from Bihar al-Anwar, Kitab tarikh al-hujjah, chap. 28.
    10. Usul al-Kafi, Kitab al-hujjah, bab al-tamhis wa'l-imtihan
     
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    142: Thus Jesus, Son of Mary, whilst seated one day and speaking in the strain of the Holy Spirit, uttered words such as these: “O people! My food is the grass of the field, wherewith I satisfy my hunger. My bed is the dust, my lamp in the night the light of the moon, and my steed my own feet. Behold, who on earth is richer than I?” By the righteousness of God! Thousands of treasures circle round this poverty, and a myriad kingdoms of glory yearn for such abasement!

    OOOOOO
    What is the source of the above. I don't find it in the Bible (OT and NT)?

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    This is not from the Bible or any of the apocrypha. It's a hadith from Imam al-Sadiq where he has attributed these words to Jesus (Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 5, p. 358). Stephen Lambden mentions this quote in his PhD thesis.
     
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    Bahaullah: Kitab-i-Iqan: “Book of Certitude”

    One may like to read my post #727 in another thread about infallibility of Bahaullah, which is very relevant here also please:

    Indeed it (infallibility) is an immature conception*. The relevant question:

    Did Bahaullah claim infallibility specifically about himself in his core book "Kitab-i-Iqan" in clear and unequivocal manner? And gave a reasonable argument to it.
    Anybody, please

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    That is a broken record paarsurry.

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    If infallibility is an immature conception why do you ascribe infallibility to the Quran?

    And a bonus question, why does Ahmadiyya ascribe infallibility to it’s Khalifa?
     
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    How does one take this from Bahaullah?:

    "Among them was Mullá Ḥusayn, who became the recipient of the effulgent glory of the Sun of divine Revelation. But for him, God would not have been established upon the seat of His mercy, nor ascended the throne of eternal glory."
    Bahá'í Reference Library - The Kitáb-i-Íqán, Pages 221-257

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    To me it shows the transcendent station of the first believer in Gods new Messenger and how we all feed back through that acceptance to God's chosen Messenger.

    I have read that the Bab said His Revelation was delayed waiting for such a Soul to become manifest and as such, puts that verse into perspective.

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    Kindly trace the following mentioned in Iqan, please:

    155: “To seek evidence, when the Proof hath been established is but an unseemly act, and to be busied with the pursuit of knowledge when the Object of all learning hath been attained is truly blameworthy.”
    161: Muhammad, the Point of the Qur’án, revealed: “I am all the Prophets.”
    161: Likewise, the Imáms of the Muhammadan Faith, those lamps of certitude, have said: “Muhammad is our first, Muhammad our last, Muhammad our all.”
    175: comprehend the meaning of this saying of ‘Alí, the Commander of the Faithful: “Piercing the veils of glory, unaided.”
    178: : “A thousand Fátimihs I have espoused, all of whom were the daughters of Muhammad, Son of ‘Abdu’lláh, the ‘Seal of the
    Prophets’”?
    201: The saying: “Knowledge is one point, which the foolish have multiplied” is a proof of Our argument, and the tradition: “Knowledge is a light which God sheddeth into the heart of whomsoever He willeth”.
    203: Methinks he had forgotten the well-known tradition which sayeth: “Knowledge is all that is knowable; and might and power, all creation.”
    269:“And when the Standard of Truth is made manifest, the people of both the East and the West curse it.”
    269:: words “One hour’s reflection is preferable to seventy years of pious worship”
    271: the “Prayer of Nudbih”: “Where is He Who is preserved to renew the ordinances and laws? Where is He Who hath the authority to transform the Faith and the followers thereof?” He hath, likewise, revealed in the Zíyárat:181 “Peace be upon the Truth made new.” Abú-‘Abdi’lláh, questioned concerning the character of the Mihdí, answered saying: “He will perform that which Muhammad, the Messenger of God, hath performed, and will demolish whatever hath been before Him even as the Messenger of God hath demolished the ways of those that preceded Him.”
    272:In the “‘Aválim,” an authoritative and well-known book, it is recorded: “A Youth from Baní-Háshim shall be made manifest, Who will reveal a new Book and promulgate a new law”; then follow these words: “Most of His enemies will be the divines.” In another passage, it is related of Sádiq, son of Muhammad,that he spoke the following: “There shall appear a Youth from Baní-Háshim, Who will bid the people plight fealty unto Him. His Book will be a new Book, unto which He shall summon the people to pledge their faith. Stern is His Revelation unto the Arab. If ye hear about Him, hasten unto Him.” How well have they followed the directions of the Imáms of the Faith and Lamps of certitude! Although it is clearly stated: “Were ye to hear that a Youth from Baní-Háshim hath appeared, summoning the people unto a new and Divine Book, and to new and Divine laws, hasten unto Him,”
    OOOOOOOOOOOOO

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    :) Consider Baha'u'llah did not have to look up sources.

    Also consider, if these traditions were not correct, the Muslim Divines of that age would have jumped at the chance to refute an incorrect quote. It is recorded they did try this, but after much research could always find the sources. Thus they started accusing Baha'u'llah of sorcery and the like.

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    1. Rumi, Masnavi, Book 3 https://sufism.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Rumi-Book-III-Version-1.0.pdf (see page 88).
    2. I have mentioned this in post no. 29 in this thread
    3. Not sure, but this hadith is cited by Khomeini in Sharh Du'a al-Sahar.
    4. Hadith Kumayl/Hadith al-Haqiqa
    5. Not sure where this comes from.
    6. Taj al-'Arus, vol. 1, p. 435. I have also mentioned the second one in post no. 29 in this thread.
    7. Not sure.
    8. Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 52, p. 363
    9. al-Jilani, Sirr al-Asrar, chap. 1. Note, this hadith is generally considered to be fabricated (mawdu).
    10. Du'a al-Nudbah, Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 99, p. 101, al-Nu'mani, Kitab al-Ghayba, vol. 1, p. 234
    11. He is citing the Awalim of al-Bahrani, but I am not sure where in this book this can be found. The Awalim is 100 volumes long.

    False. Baha'u'llah explicitly admits the contrary in paragraph no. 203 of the Iqan: "For instance, a certain man, reputed for his learning and attainments, and accounting himself as one of the pre-eminent leaders of his people, hath in his book denounced and vilified all the exponents of true learning [...] We felt it necessary to refer to his books, in order that We might answer Our questioners with knowledge and understanding [...] We sent for the book, and kept it with Us a few days. It was probably referred to twice." He is speaking here about Hajji Karim Khan Kermani, a Shaykhi scholar who authored a few books in refutation of the claims of the Bab, and Baha'u'llah admits he referred to his writings. Here, he explicitly contradicts his later statements made after his declaration where he states that he does not need to refer to other books.
     
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    Thanks for your continuous support.

    Please trace the following also:

    275: Even as it hath been recorded in the “Káfí,” in the tradition of Jábir, in the “Tablet of Fátimih,” concerning the character of the Qá’im: “He shall manifest the perfection of Moses, the splendor of Jesus, and the patience of Job. His chosen ones shall be abased in His day. Their heads shall be offered as presents even as the heads of the Turks and the Daylamites. They shall be slain and burnt. Fear shall seize them; dismay and alarm shall strike terror into their hearts. The earth shall be dyed with their blood. Their womenfolk shall bewail and lament. These indeed are my friends!”

    276: Even as it hath been recorded in the “Rawdiy-i-Káfí,” concerning “Zawrá’.” In the “Rawdiy-i-Káfí” it is related of Mu‘ávíyih, son of Vahháb, that Abú-‘Abdi’lláh hath spoken: “Knowest thou Zawrá’?” I said: “May my life be a sacrifice unto thee! They say it is Baghdád.” “Nay,” he answered. And then added: “Hast thou entered the city of Rayy?”,183 to which I made reply: “Yea, I have entered it.” Whereupon, He inquired: “Didst thou visit the cattle-market?” “Yea,” I answered. He said: “Hast thou seen the black mountain on the right-hand side of the road? The same is Zawrá’. There shall eighty men, of the children of certain ones, be slain, all of whom are worthy to be called caliphs.” “Who will slay them?” I asked. He made reply: “The children of Persia!”

    277: Of these, Sádiq, son of Muhammad, hath said: “The religious doctors of that age shall be the most wicked of the divines beneath the shadow of heaven. Out of them hath mischief proceeded, and unto them it shall return.”

    283:According to the tradition, Mufaddal asked Sádiq saying: “What of the sign of His manifestation, O my master?” He made reply: “In the year sixty, His Cause shall be made manifest, and His Name shall be proclaimed.”

    284: . In the “Bihár” it is recorded: “In our Qá’im there shall be four signs from four Prophets, Moses, Jesus, Joseph, and Muhammad. The sign from Moses is fear and expectation; from Jesus, that which was spoken of Him; from Joseph, imprisonment and dissimulation; from Muhammad, the revelation of a Book similar to the Qur’án.”

    285: Thus hath Sádiq, son of Muhammad, spoken: “God verily will test them and sift them.”

    285: “Every knowledge hath seventy meanings, of which one only is known amongst the people. And when the Qá’im shall arise, He shall reveal unto men all that which remaineth.” He also saith: “We speak one word, and by it we intend one and seventy meanings; each one of these meanings we can explain.”

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    1. I can't find this in al-Kafi, but it is in the Kamal al-Din of Ibn Babawayh (vol. 1, p. 338).
    2. al-Kafi, vol. 8, p. 177.
    3. al-Kafi, vol. 8, p. 308.
    4. Baha'u'llah has fabricated this saying. There is a similar report in the first chapter of vol. 53 of Bihar al-Anwar, but nowhere in this report does it say that the Imam will appear "in the year sixty" and such an idea is completely discounted with Imam al-Sadiq saying that there is no appointed time for the appearance of the Imam. So he has interpolated a completely false statement into an already very loosely-paraphrased rendition of the hadith.
    5. There is no single hadith in the Bihar which says this but there are a few which express a similar idea. (see vol. 51, p. 216, 218, 224 and vol. 52, p. 347). Nevertheless he has very loosely quoted these and mixed them together, and he has fabricated the part which says "the revelation of a Book similar to the Qur’án." The actual hadiths state that the sign of Muhammad which the Imam will have is that he will come with the sword and be upon the sunnah of the Prophet, not that he will reveal another book.
    6. Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 52, p. 114.
    7. Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 52, p. 336.
     
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    While searching this was interesting;

    Chapter 33: Statements of as-Sadiq


    'Narrated to us my father and Muhammad bin Hasan - May Allah be pleased with them - they said: Narrated to us Saad bin Abdullah from Hasan bin Ali Zaitooni and Muhammad bin Ahmad bin Abi Qatada from Ahmad bin Hilal from Umayyah Ibne Ali from Abi Haitham bin Abi Habba from Abi Abdullah (a.s.) that he said:

    “When Imams named Muhammad, Ali and Hasan come one after another, the fourth will be the Qaim.”

    3 - Narrated to us Muhammad bin Ibrahim bin Ishaq (r.a.): Narrated to us Abu Ali Muhammad bin Hammam: Narrated to us Ahmad bin Mabundaz that: Informed us Ahmad bin Hilal: Narrated to me Umayyah bin Ali Qaisi from Abi Haitham Tamimi from Abi Abdullah (a.s.) that he said:


    “When the three name: Muhammad, Ali and Hasan come one after another, the fourth will be the Qaim.”

    The Bab's name was Ali Muhammad and Baha'u'llah's name was Husayn Ali

    The 4th would most likely be be Baha, the Qaim.

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    While I thank our friend @Komori for her continuous support for tracing the Ahadith/Hadiths mentioned in Kitab-i-Iqan by Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri aka Bahaullah. Most of Ahadith/Hadiths or some of them she has traced and for others she has given her comments. I request everybody who reads this post, whether a follower of Bahaullah or not, to help trace all of them providing, the online link if possible, that will facilitate reading the book and understanding it and verifying the claims of Bahaullah.
    I give a list of the Ahadith/Hadiths*. The colored in black are the Ahadith/Hadiths from Iqan, and colored in red are their trace as done by our friend @Komori or her comments, please.

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    Bahaullah-Tracking Down the Ahadith- Kitab-i-Iqan

    #28 paarsurrey, #29 Komori, #72 paarsurrey, #79 Komori,
    #81 paarsurrey, #82Komori, #83paarsurrey, #84 Komori,
    #85 paarsurrey, , #86Komori, #92paarsurrey,
    #94 Komori, #95paarsurrey , #96 Komori,

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    Post #28 paarsurrey , Post #29 Komori

    1.Muhammad, Himself, declared: “I am Jesus.”

    1. I do not know of any authentic hadith where Muhammad says, "I am Jesus (Ana Isa)." Baha'u'llah seems to be quoting a hadith cited by the Bab in his Seven Proofs (English here, original here), but this hadith is cited as being from Imam al-Sadiq, not Muhammad as Baha'u'llah cites it. The Bab apparently got it (according to MacEoin, Messiah of Shiraz, pp. 336, footnote) from Shaykh Ahmad al-Ahsa'i's Risala fi'l-'ismah wa'l-raj'ah(Jamawi al-kalim [Basra: Al-Ghadir Press, 2009], vol. 5, pp. 206-449). Though I am not sure where al-Ahsa'i got this hadith from. I don't have time to right now to look through my digital edition of the book which is a scanned version without a search feature. But the full hadith, as quoted by the Bab is as follows:

    Whoso wishes to behold Adam and Seth, behold I am Adam and Seth; whoso wishes to behold Noah and his son Shem, behold I am Noah and Shem; whoso wishes to behold Abraham and Ishmael, behold I am Abraham and Ishmael; whoso wishes to behold Moses and Joshua, behold I am Moses and Joshua; whoso wishes to behold Jesus and Simon, behold I am Jesus and Simon.

    The are, however, other ahadith like this whose sources I am aware of. Baha'u'llah also cites in the Iqan statements from Imam 'Ali along the lines of "I am the first Adam." This is from Imam 'Ali's Khutbat al-bayan. And there is also the statement "I am all the prophets" ascribed to Muhammad which is a paraphrase of a hadith which is apparently from Bihar al-anwar, vol. 7 according to numerous Baha'i sources, though they never provide the page number. This is the hadith:

    Anas bin Malik said: One day the Messenger of God, peace be upon him, offered his morning prayer and ascended the pulpit. His face was resplendent as the full moon. We asked the Messenger of God to interpret the verse of the Qur'an: "...they are with those unto whom God hath shown favour of the Prophets and the saints and the martyrs and the righteous." [4:69] He said, (ama-an-nabiyoona fa-ana...) By the term "Prophets" I am meant, by the term "saints" Ali ibn Abi Talib is meant, by "martyrs" my uncle Hamzah is meant and the "righteous" are my daughter Fatimah and her two sons Hasan and Husayn."

    2.“Prayer of Nudbih”:23 “Whither are gone the resplendent Suns? Whereunto have departed those shining Moons and sparkling Stars?”

    2. This is from the well-known Du'a Nudbah Dua nudba
    23“Lamentation” attributed to the Twelfth Imám*

    3.Moreover, in the traditions the terms “sun” and “moon” have been applied to prayer and fasting, even as it is said: “Fasting is illumination, prayer is light.”
    3. The "prayer is light" part is found in hadith no. 23 of al-Nawawi's Forty Hadith. As for the "fasting is illumination" part, I am unsure.


    4.Therefore, hath it been said: “Knowledge is a light which God casteth into the heart of whomsoever He willeth.”

    4. This is from Misbah al-Shari'ah and is attributed to Imam al-Sadiq. Ayatollah Shirazi considers it authentic and cites it on his website. من فقه الزهراء - الجزء الثاني

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    (Continued from previous post #98)

    Post #72 paarsurrey, Post #79 Komori

    1.74*:“Nothing whatsoever keepeth Him from being occupied with any other thing”

    1. I'm not sure this is a hadith, but it is in a bunch of books if you search for it, notably al-Razi's tafsir and al-Ghazali's Ihiya. Seems to be another Sufi maxim.

    2.75:“The names come down from heaven”

    2. This does not seem to be a hadith either, but it is a saying found in various books, notably in Ali al-Qari's commentary on Mishkat al-Masabih.

    3.76:“Cling unto the robe of the Desire of thy heart, and put thou away all shame; bid the worldly wise be gone, however
    3. This is from a poem by Ibn al-Farid, not a hadith.reat their name.”

    4.77: “He that treadeth the snow-white Path, and followeth in the footsteps of the Crimson Pillar, shall never attain unto his abode unless his hands are empty of those worldly things cherished by men.”
    4. This is another Sufi saying, not a hadith. It is supposedly from the Bisharat al-Khayrat, according to the book A Tutorial on the Kitab-i-Iqan.

    5.80:“But for Thee, I would not have created all that are in heaven and on earth”
    5. This is the famous حديث لولاك (hadith lawlak). It is cited often in esoteric Shi'i writings, but its authenticity is disputed by the more orthodox camp, and especially by the Sunnis.

    6.86: That holy man, Sádiq,62 in his eulogy of the Cherubim, saith: “There stand a company of our fellow-Shí‘ihs behind the Throne.” Divers and manifold are the interpretations of the words “behind the Throne.” In one sense, they indicate that no true Shí‘ihs exist. Even as he hath said in another passage: “A true believer is likened unto the philosopher’s stone.” Addressing subsequently his listener, he saith: “Hast thou ever seen the philosopher’s stone?” Reflect, how this symbolic language, more eloquent than any speech, however direct, testifieth to the nonexistence of a true believer. Such is the testimony of Sádiq.

    6. The hadith on the cherubim is from Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 14, p. 229. The saying on the philosopher's stone is found in The Seven Proofs by the Bab, which is probably where Baha'u'llah got this, but I am not sure where the Bab got it from.

    7.92: “I adjure thee by God Who clove the sea for you, caused manna to descend upon you, and the cloud to overshadow you, Who delivered you from Pharaoh and his people, and exalted you above all human beings, to tell us what Moses hath decreed concerning adultery between a married man and a married woman.”

    7. Not sure where this comes from.

    8.98: “Daystar of the beauty of Jesus had disappeared from the sight of His people, and ascended unto the fourth heaven.”
    شمس جمال عيسى از
    ميان قوم غائب شد و به فلک چهارم ارتقاء فرمود و کتاب حقّ
    جلّ ذکره که اعظم برهان اوست ميان خلق او، آن هم غائب
    شود
    Bahaullah has used the word "Shams" in Farsi-Iqan, Shoghi has translated it as "Daystar" instead of the common word "Sun"in English.
    Any particular reason for that?
    8. Baha'u'llah's not quoting anything here. He's just referencing an idea he claims to have heard.

    So it seems most of these aren't even ahadith.

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    100/*105*: “God was alone; there was none else besides Him.”
    1. Not sure where it comes from. Probably either a rough paraphrase of something from the hadith or a quote Baha'u'llah came up with himself, since he does not even say it is a hadith. But it's a common sense idea really, nothing special.

    101*: “This proof is His Word; His own Self, the testimony of His truth.”
    2. This is from a khutbah of Imam Ali and is cited in Tawhid al-Imamiyyah, p. 204 on the authority of al-Tabrisi.

    106*:“There is no distinction whatsoever between Thee and them; except that they are Thy servants, and are created of Thee.”
    3. From Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 95, p. 393. It is a dua of Imam al-Mahdi.

    106*: the tradition: “I am He, Himself, and He is I, myself.”
    4. This isn't a hadith but is a Sufi saying attributed to al-Bastami, similar to al-Hallaj's, "I am the Truth."

    107*: Even as He hath said: “Man is My mystery, and I am his mystery.”
    5. This is said to be a hadith qudsi but I am not sure where it comes from

    107*: In this connection, He Who is the eternal King—may the souls of all that dwell within the mystic Tabernacle be a sacrifice unto Him—hath spoken: “He hath known God who hath known himself.”
    6. This is actually a modified version of the eighth Delphic maxim. This saying made its way into Arabic literature do the interaction of Arab thinkers with Greek philosophy, and people began to attribute it to Muhammad, making it popular in mystical literature. Stephen Lambden (a Baha'i scholar) and others have written on this.

    109*: “Hath aught else save Thee a power of revelation which is not possessed by Thee, that it could have manifested Thee? Blind is the eye which doth not perceive Thee.”
    7. This is from the Dua al-Arafah of Imam Husayn

    109*: “No thing have I perceived, except that I perceived God within it, God before it, or God after it.”
    8. A hadith of Ali. Musnad al-Imam Ali, vol. 1, p. 150.

    109*: in the tradition of Kumayl it is written: “Behold, a light hath shone forth out of the Morn of eternity, and lo! its waves have penetrated the inmost reality of all men.”
    9. This is none other than the famous Hadith al-Haqiqa / Hadith Kumayl. Incidentally, the phrase "Morn of eternity" is actually translated from Subh al-Azal (or Subh-i Azal in Persian), and as we know, this is the title which the Bab gave to Baha'u'llah's worst enemy.
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    *Passage numbers of Iqan.

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