Bahaullah: Kitab-i-Iqan: “Book of Certitude”

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Post #83 paarsurrey, Post #84 Komori

115: Muhammad cry out: “No Prophet of God hath suffered such harm as I have suffered.”
1. Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 39, p. 56.

118: Observe, how those in whose midst the Satan of self had for years sown the seeds of malice and hate became so fused and blended through their allegiance to this wondrous and transcendent Revelation that it seemed as if they had sprung from the same loins.
2. He's not quoting anything here. Not sure what you're looking for.

127 ‘Alí. He, the exponent of the law of God, addressing the scribe, said: “Write thou: ‘A dead man hath bought from another dead man a house. That house is bounded by four limits. One extendeth toward the tomb, the other to the vault of the grave, the third to the Sirát, the fourth to either Paradise or hell.’”
3. No idea where this is from.

ooo #42 InvestigateTruth, There is a Hadith in Shia sources, which says, in our hadithes, there are Mutishabohat too. Meaning, not everything the imams said are meant to be taken literally. And there is a Hadith from Imam Reza, saying, if God wants to keep a person alive for a long time for the needs of humanity, He would have kept Muhammad alive. Meaning, the idea of keeping any person alive for a long time, is false.

134: “He is the Dominant, above all things.”
4. No idea.

135: For no warrior could be found on earth more excellent and nearer to God than Husayn, son of ‘Alí, so peerless and incomparable was he. “There was none to equal or to match him in the world.”
5. No idea.

144: He took His flight unto the fourth Heaven.
6. No idea.

150: “The way is barred, and all seeking rejected.”
7. He's not quoting anything here, and I am not sure where he is getting this story from.

152: the well-known tradition: “When the Qá’im riseth, that day is the Day of Resurrection”? In like manner, the Imáms, those unquenchable lights of divine guidance, have interpreted-...- a sign which they have unquestionably regarded as one of the features of the Day of Resurrection—as referring to the Qá’im and His manifestation.
8. This is most likely taken from Shaykh Ahmad al-Ahsa'is Kitab sharh al-'arshiyyah (Jawami' al-kalim, vol. 4, p. 852).

155: even as it is said: “The abased amongst you, He shall exalt; and they that are exalted, He shall abase.”
9. Also likely taken from K. sharh al-'arshiyyah but originally comes from Bihar al-Anwar, Kitab tarikh al-hujjah, chap. 28.

OOOOOOOOOOO 10. Usul al-Kafi, Kitab al-hujjah, bab al-tamhis wa'l-imtihan

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Post #85 paarsurrey , Post #86 Komori,

142: Thus Jesus, Son of Mary, whilst seated one day and speaking in the strain of the Holy Spirit, uttered words such as these: “O people! My food is the grass of the field, wherewith I satisfy my hunger. My bed is the dust, my lamp in the night the light of the moon, and my steed my own feet. Behold, who on earth is richer than I?” By the righteousness of God! Thousands of treasures circle round this poverty, and a myriad kingdoms of glory yearn for such abasement!
OOOOOOO What is the source of the above. I don't find it in the Bible (OT and NT)?

This is not from the Bible or any of the apocrypha. It's a hadith from Imam al-Sadiq where he has attributed these words to Jesus (Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 5, p. 358). Stephen Lambden mentions this quote in his PhD thesis.

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Post #92 paarsurrey , Post #94 Komori,

155: “To seek evidence, when the Proof hath been established is but an unseemly act, and to be busied with the pursuit of knowledge when the Object of all learning hath been attained is truly blameworthy.”
1. Rumi, Masnavi, Book 3 https://sufism.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Rumi-Book-III-Version-1.0.pdf (see page 88).

161: Muhammad, the Point of the Qur’án, revealed: “I am all the Prophets.”
2. I have mentioned this in post no. 29 in this thread

161: Likewise, the Imáms of the Muhammadan Faith, those lamps of certitude, have said: “Muhammad is our first, Muhammad our last, Muhammad our all.”
3. Not sure, but this hadith is cited by Khomeini in Sharh Du'a al-Sahar.


175: comprehend the meaning of this saying of ‘Alí, the Commander of the Faithful: “Piercing the veils of glory, unaided.”
4. Hadith Kumayl/Hadith al-Haqiqa

178: : “A thousand Fátimihs I have espoused, all of whom were the daughters of Muhammad, Son of ‘Abdu’lláh, the ‘Seal of the
Prophets’”?
5. Not sure where this comes from.

201: The saying: “Knowledge is one point, which the foolish have multiplied” is a proof of Our argument, and the tradition: “Knowledge is a light which God sheddeth into the heart of whomsoever He willeth”.
6. Taj al-'Arus, vol. 1, p. 435. I have also mentioned the second one in post no. 29 in this thread.

203: Methinks he had forgotten the well-known tradition which sayeth: “Knowledge is all that is knowable; and might and power, all creation.”
7. Not sure.

269:“And when the Standard of Truth is made manifest, the people of both the East and the West curse it.”
8. Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 52, p. 363

269:: words “One hour’s reflection is preferable to seventy years of pious worship”
9. al-Jilani, Sirr al-Asrar, chap. 1. Note, this hadith is generally considered to be fabricated (mawdu).

271: the “Prayer of Nudbih”: “Where is He Who is preserved to renew the ordinances and laws? Where is He Who hath the authority to transform the Faith and the followers thereof?” He hath, likewise, revealed in the Zíyárat:181 “Peace be upon the Truth made new.” Abú-‘Abdi’lláh, questioned concerning the character of the Mihdí, answered saying: “He will perform that which Muhammad, the Messenger of God, hath performed, and will demolish whatever hath been before Him even as the Messenger of God hath demolished the ways of those that preceded Him.”
10. Du'a al-Nudbah, Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 99, p. 101, al-Nu'mani, Kitab al-Ghayba, vol. 1, p. 234

272:In the “‘Aválim,” an authoritative and well-known book, it is recorded: “A Youth from Baní-Háshim shall be made manifest, Who will reveal a new Book and promulgate a new law”; then follow these words: “Most of His enemies will be the divines.” In another passage, it is related of Sádiq, son of Muhammad,that he spoke the following: “There shall appear a Youth from Baní-Háshim, Who will bid the people plight fealty unto Him. His Book will be a new Book, unto which He shall summon the people to pledge their faith. Stern is His Revelation unto the Arab. If ye hear about Him, hasten unto Him.” How well have they followed the directions of the Imáms of the Faith and Lamps of certitude! Although it is clearly stated: “Were ye to hear that a Youth from Baní-Háshim hath appeared, summoning the people unto a new and Divine Book, and to new and Divine laws, hasten unto Him,”
11. He is citing the Awalim of al-Bahrani, but I am not sure where in this book this can be found. The Awalim is 100 volumes long.

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Post #94 Komori,

Tony Bristow-Stagg said: ↑

Consider Baha'u'llah did not have to look up sources.

Komori: False. Baha'u'llah explicitly admits the contrary in paragraph no. 203 of the Iqan: "For instance, a certain man, reputed for his learning and attainments, and accounting himself as one of the pre-eminent leaders of his people, hath in his book denounced and vilified all the exponents of true learning [...] We felt it necessary to refer to his books, in order that We might answer Our questioners with knowledge and understanding [...] We sent for the book, and kept it with Us a few days. It was probably referred to twice." He is speaking here about Hajji Karim Khan Kermani, a Shaykhi scholar who authored a few books in refutation of the claims of the Bab, and Baha'u'llah admits he referred to his writings. Here, he explicitly contradicts his later statements made after his declaration where he states that he does not need to refer to other books. #94Friday at 5:55 PM

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275: Even as it hath been recorded in the “Káfí,” in the tradition of Jábir, in the “Tablet of Fátimih,” concerning the character of the Qá’im: “He shall manifest the perfection of Moses, the splendor of Jesus, and the patience of Job. His chosen ones shall be abased in His day. Their heads shall be offered as presents even as the heads of the Turks and the Daylamites. They shall be slain and burnt. Fear shall seize them; dismay and alarm shall strike terror into their hearts. The earth shall be dyed with their blood. Their womenfolk shall bewail and lament. These indeed are my friends!”
1. I can't find this in al-Kafi, but it is in the Kamal al-Din of Ibn Babawayh (vol. 1, p. 338).

276: Even as it hath been recorded in the “Rawdiy-i-Káfí,” concerning “Zawrá’.” In the “Rawdiy-i-Káfí” it is related of Mu‘ávíyih, son of Vahháb, that Abú-‘Abdi’lláh hath spoken: “Knowest thou Zawrá’?” I said: “May my life be a sacrifice unto thee! They say it is Baghdád.” “Nay,” he answered. And then added: “Hast thou entered the city of Rayy?”,183 to which I made reply: “Yea, I have entered it.” Whereupon, He inquired: “Didst thou visit the cattle-market?” “Yea,” I answered. He said: “Hast thou seen the black mountain on the right-hand side of the road? The same is Zawrá’. There shall eighty men, of the children of certain ones, be slain, all of whom are worthy to be called caliphs.” “Who will slay them?” I asked. He made reply: “The children of Persia!”
2. al-Kafi, vol. 8, p. 177.

277: Of these, Sádiq, son of Muhammad, hath said: “The religious doctors of that age shall be the most wicked of the divines beneath the shadow of heaven. Out of them hath mischief proceeded, and unto them it shall return.”
3. al-Kafi, vol. 8, p. 308.

283:According to the tradition, Mufaddal asked Sádiq saying: “What of the sign of His manifestation, O my master?” He made reply: “In the year sixty, His Cause shall be made manifest, and His Name shall be proclaimed.”
4. Baha'u'llah has fabricated this saying. There is a similar report in the first chapter of vol. 53 of Bihar al-Anwar, but nowhere in this report does it say that the Imam will appear "in the year sixty" and such an idea is completely discounted with Imam al-Sadiq saying that there is no appointed time for the appearance of the Imam. So he has interpolated a completely false statement into an already very loosely-paraphrased rendition of the hadith.

284: . In the “Bihár” it is recorded: “In our Qá’im there shall be four signs from four Prophets, Moses, Jesus, Joseph, and Muhammad. The sign from Moses is fear and expectation; from Jesus, that which was spoken of Him; from Joseph, imprisonment and dissimulation; from Muhammad, the revelation of a Book similar to the Qur’án.”
5. There is no single hadith in the Bihar which says this but there are a few which express a similar idea. (see vol. 51, p. 216, 218, 224 and vol. 52, p. 347). Nevertheless he has very loosely quoted these and mixed them together, and he has fabricated the part which says "the revelation of a Book similar to the Qur’án." The actual hadiths state that the sign of Muhammad which the Imam will have is that he will come with the sword and be upon the sunnah of the Prophet, not that he will reveal another book.

285: Thus hath Sádiq, son of Muhammad, spoken: “God verily will test them and sift them.”
6. Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 52, p. 114.

285: “Every knowledge hath seventy meanings, of which one only is known amongst the people. And when the Qá’im

shall arise, He shall reveal unto men all that which remaineth.” He also saith: “We speak one word, and by it we intend one and seventy meanings; each one of these meanings we can explain.”
7. Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 52, p. 336.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

All I can add is Ya Baha'u'l-Abha, and that I have had the bounty of shouting that from Mountain tops.

What a great day we live in.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I wonder what happened to the Arabic Bibles where the name Baha'u'llah was in the translations around 1833 and 1858. I wonder who removed those never to be seen again after 1870?

http://bahaistudies.net/kf/bibles.html

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

I wonder what happened to the Arabic Bibles where the name Baha'u'llah was in the translations around 1833 and 1858. I wonder who removed those never to be seen again after 1870?

http://bahaistudies.net/kf/bibles.html

Regards Tony

It's amazing how the name "Baha'u'llah" is all over the Bible. But, how was the title of "Baha'u'llah" given to the man Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí? And, besides the Bible, is that name significant in other religions?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It's amazing how the name "Baha'u'llah" is all over the Bible. But, how was the title of "Baha'u'llah" given to the man Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí? And, besides the Bible, is that name significant in other religions?

This is significant in Prophecy as follows;

If we look at Isaiah 62:2 "The nations will see your righteousness, And all kings your glory; And you will be called by a new name Which the mouth of the LORD will designate."

Now Both the Bab and Baha'u'llah are the Mouth of the Lord, the Self of God amongst mankind. In the quote following you will note the Bab had requested new Names, Baha'u'llah gave new names to all those present and later the Bab wrote to them all addressing them with the new name. Note the final statement by the Bab in that quote. Thus history has recorded the following as to how Baha'u'llah received the name;

It was the summer of 1848 and prominent Babis had gathered for twenty-two days in Khorasan in the village of Badašt.

"Those who had gathered in Badasht were eighty-one in number, all of whom, from the time of their arrival to the day of their dispersion, were the guests of Baha'u'llah. Every day, He revealed a Tablet which Mirza Sulayman-i-Nuri chanted in the presence of the assembled believers. Upon each He bestowed a new name. He Himself was henceforth designated by the name of Baha; upon the Last Letter of the Living was conferred the appellation of Quddus, and to Qurratu'l-'Ayn was given the title of Tahirih. To each of those who had convened at Badasht a special Tablet was subsequently revealed by the Bab, each of whom He addressed by the name recently conferred upon him. When, at a later time, a number of the more rigid and conservative among her fellow-disciples chose to accuse Tahirih of indiscreetly rejecting the time-honoured traditions of the past, the Bab, to whom these complaints had been addressed, replied in the following terms: "What am I to say regarding her whom the Tongue of Power of Glory has named Tahirih [the Pure One]?"

In other Faiths this most great name is described in many ways. This Wiki link talks of end times and peoples hopes

End time - Wikipedia

Regards Tony

THE DAWN-BREAKERS---Chapter XVI

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It's amazing how the name "Baha'u'llah" is all over the Bible. But, how was the title of "Baha'u'llah" given to the man Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí? And, besides the Bible, is that name significant in other religions?

Also what is amazing is Baha'u'llah's response to a Letter from the Bab addressed to the "One whom God would make Manifest". This is the story about the one who passed it to him from Mulla Hussan, the first disciple of the Bab, Mulla Hussan had to deliver the letter, but did not know who he was to give it to, he was to follow his heart, when he heard of Baha'u'llah, he knew who the letter was addressed to and entrusted it to Mulla Muhammad-i-Mu'allim to deliver, who has passed on this;

"`As I approached the house of Baha'u'llah, I recognised His brother Mirza Musa, who was standing at the gate, and to whom I communicated the object of my visit. He went into the house and soon reappeared bearing a message of welcome. I was ushered into His presence, and presented the scroll to Mirza Musa, who laid it before Baha'u'llah. He bade us both be seated. Unfolding the scroll, He glanced at its contents and began to read aloud to us certain of its passages. I sat enraptured as I listened to the sound of His voice and the sweetness of its melody. He had read a page of the scroll when, turning to His brother, He said: " Musa, what have you to say? Verily I say, whoso believes in the Qur'an and recognises its Divine origin, and yet hesitates, though it be for a moment, to admit that these soul-stirring words are endowed with the same regenerating power, has most assuredly erred in his judgment and has strayed far from the path of justice." He spoke no more. Dismissing me from His presence, He charged me to take to Mulla Husayn, as a gift from Him, a loaf of Russian sugar and a package of tea, and to convey to him the expression of His appreciation and love..."

Baha'u'llah was immediately a Bab'i and started teaching the Faith.

THE DAWN-BREAKERS---Chapter IV

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

It was the summer of 1848 and prominent Babis had gathered for twenty-two days in Khorasan in the village of Badašt.

"Those who had gathered in Badasht were eighty-one in number, all of whom, from the time of their arrival to the day of their dispersion, were the guests of Baha'u'llah. Every day, He revealed a Tablet which Mirza Sulayman-i-Nuri chanted in the presence of the assembled believers. Upon each He bestowed a new name. He Himself was henceforth designated by the name of Baha;

In 1848 they were guests of Baha'u'llah? And "henceforth" he had the name "Baha"? He named himself? Before he announced that he was the manifestation, he was already known as Baha'u'llah?

Also, regarding prophecies in other religions about the new messenger being called "The Glory of God". Buddhist end time prophecy says: "Buddha described his teachings disappearing five thousand years from his passing,[1] corresponding approximately to the year 4600 CE... This will be followed by a new golden age..." "At that period, brethren, there will arise in the world an Exalted One named Maitreya…"

Many other things in the article don't line up with Baha'u'llah being the one expected by Buddhists. But Buddha's teaching disappearing for 5000 years and getting us to 4600 CE and that the "Exalted One" would be named "Maitreya" are enough to confuse the issue of prophecies of all religions pointing to Baha'u'llah.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

In 1848 they were guests of Baha'u'llah? And "henceforth" he had the name "Baha"? He named himself? Before he announced that he was the manifestation, he was already known as Baha'u'llah?

God works in mysterious ways.

As per the biblical Prophecy, the Mouth of the Lord designated that Name. Note in the quote, that the Bab already knew who Baha'u'llah was and the Bayan was for no other reason than to prepare the way for Baha'u'llah.

Consider just a Jesus was born as the Christ (Annointed One), so was Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí born as Baha'u'llah (Glory of God). They are born of the Holy Spirit.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Also, regarding prophecies in other religions about the new messenger being called "The Glory of God". Buddhist end time prophecy says: "Buddha described his teachings disappearing five thousand years from his passing,[1] corresponding approximately to the year 4600 CE... This will be followed by a new golden age..." "At that period, brethren, there will arise in the world an Exalted One named Maitreya…"

Many other things in the article don't line up with Baha'u'llah being the one expected by Buddhists. But Buddha's teaching disappearing for 5000 years and getting us to 4600 CE and that the "Exalted One" would be named "Maitreya" are enough to confuse the issue of prophecies of all religions pointing to Baha'u'llah.

In past conversations you will have heard us mentioning reliable sources for what the Manifestations of God have said.

In a study of prophecy you will soon see it is a minefield of conflicting information. A vast majority of it not from any Messenger, but much from man attributing it to a Messenger.

I have to let you and your heart sort all that out. For me none of this really matters, as it was the Message Baha'u'llah gave, that found my heart. Prophecy was a bonus for me and it is this approach that, for me weeds out what is from man.

This page is dedicated to compiling the prophecy;

Baha'i: Prophecy Fulfilled Homepage

It discusses the time prophecy of Buddha.

Regards Tony

 

[paarsurrey]

I would be happy to help you in tracking down any of these ahadith if you need it.

Please refer to my posts #98 paarsurrey, #99 paarsurrey, #100 paarsurrey , #101 paarsurrey, #102 paarsurrey, #103 paarsurrey, in which I have tried to sum up my queries regarding Ahadith mentioned in Kitab-i-Iqan, and your replies to my queries . You may please go through them and correct my mistakes in them , if there are any.

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