Azrael Antilla vs Link (Islamic dress code and society enforcement)

[Azrael Antilla]

Then you only believe in negative rights and taxes should not be implemented?

Nonsensical.

 

[Link]

Vote for a pro Sharia Law party then. I certainly wont be.

Well, I'm saying, if I can show the benefits outweigh the harm, and society is enlightened by that, I believe society should implement the law in this case.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

You can show majority religions to be false, because majority of cultures and religions believe in modesty. Even Buddhists who don't worship the Creator.

Personal autonomy and choice. Are Western values. Embrace them. Or don't. We stand for personal liberty.

 

[Link]

Nonsensical.

Positive rights are enforced. Also no society allows everyone to walk naked in the streets, and so we have to talk about what makes modesty sensible and NOT arbitrary. I believe only Islam is not arbitrary in this case, and makes the most sense.

 

[Link]

Personal autonomy and choice. Are Western values. Embrace them. Or don't. We stand for personal liberty.

Yet it's causing high divorce rates and many single moms, as well it leads to human trafficking when prostitution is allowed and that also includes children.

 

[Link]

Vote for a pro Sharia Law party then. I certainly wont be.

I won't vote if they have no chance of winning. On the other hand, if I write books, maybe most of society will understand the wisdom of these laws and then implement them. I believe a lot of psychological and social studies have proven Islam to be correct in it's approach to sex.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

Well, I'm saying, if I can show the benefits outweigh the harm, and society is enlightened by that, I believe society should implement the law in this case.

Recommending something is one thing.

Something that you think is virtuous or beneficial.
Forcing it upon others is something else.

It impedes on individual liberty.

Which is high priority.

 

[Link]

Recommending something is one thing.

Something that you think is virtuous or beneficial.
Forcing it upon others is something else.

It impedes on individual liberty.

Which is high priority.

Some person can say liberty should be allowed to steal whatever they want. Land ownership shouldn't be a thing. We should be allowed to walk naked in the streets. But no society today believes in any of these things.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

Yet it's causing high divorce rates and many single moms, as well it leads to human trafficking when prostitution is allowed and that also includes children.

The causes for divorce are myriad. I think marriage is a stupid idea personally. Old fashioned. As for prostitution the causes for that are poverty and substance abuse. Not your fetid fantasies about moral laxity.

 

[Link]

Recommending something is one thing.

Something that you think is virtuous or beneficial.
Forcing it upon others is something else.

It impedes on individual liberty.

Which is high priority.

Virtues usually are related to things in a beneficial way. If you go against virtue, there are consequences in the real world. Human trafficking including children is one of the consequences when you have shades of grey approach to sex.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

Some person can say liberty should be allowed to steal whatever they want. Land ownership shouldn't be a thing. We should be allowed to walk naked in the streets. But no society today believes in any of these things.

EVery right comes with duty and responsibility. There has to be balances. With other rights....

 

[Azrael Antilla]

Virtues usually are related to things in a beneficial way. If you go against virtue, there are consequences in the real world. Human trafficking including children is one of the consequences when you have shades of grey approach to sex.

Nonsensical. Child traffickers are profiteering.

 

[Link]

The causes for divorce are myriad. I think marriage is a stupid idea personally. Old fashioned. As for prostitution the causes for that are poverty and substance abuse. Not your fetid fantasies about moral laxity.

Some person might be tricked to buy a house for a person they believe is a friend. Then they are in debt because their friend doesn't pay. Not wanting to go to jail nor be in debt, they get desperate and become a prostitute. Desperation is not only from being born in poverty or substance abuse.

Also, a lot of human trafficking occurs through someone adding something to a drink of a women or someone, and they find themselves in a world they never though they could enter.

The context of Hijaab in Quran in both places - also talks about human trafficking and forced prostitution. The reality shades of grey lead to that, and so Islamic modesty is an extreme measure, but for good reasons.

 

[Link]

Nonsensical. Child traffickers are profiteering.

It all happens if desires are not in control. These days because of globalization of debauched sexuality and media, human trafficking is everywhere. To stop all this, you need extreme measures and getting rid of shades of grey.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

It all happens if desires are not in control. These days because of globalization of debauched sexuality and media, human trafficking is everywhere. To stop all this, you need extreme measures and getting rid of shades of grey.

Statistics reveal that children are abused primarily by family members. Not porn addicted psychopath strangers. Although those do exist.

 

[Link]

Statistics reveal that children are abused primarily by family members. Not porn addicted psychopaths. Although those do exist.

Both of these occur when lust is not in control.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

It all happens if desires are not in control. These days because of globalization of debauched sexuality and media, human trafficking is everywhere. To stop all this, you need extreme measures and getting rid of shades of grey.

You can try and control people with dress codes. Or my preferred method, eradicate sexual repression.

 

[Link]

Someone with high shame towards sexual deviance and has a high sense of honor would never abuse a child.

 

[Link]

You can try and control people with dress codes. Or my preferred method, eradicate sexual repression.

We can theory or look at reality. Reality is sexual opening up doors, leads to more problems, included increase amount of sexual trafficking. It does not get rid of it.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

Both of these occur when lust is not in control.

Pervs will be pervs. Sexually repressed individuals. Often become abusers.